Thursday, January 22, 2009

Hope & Change Deconstructed

Dick Morris wrote an article entitled The Obama Presidency: Here Comes Socialism which I think beautifully deconstructs what President Obama's Hope and Change strategies are and what they will mean for Americans. He writes:

"Just as the stars were aligned for Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson and Reagan,
they are aligned for Obama. Simply put, we enter his administration as
free-enterprise, market-dominated, laissez-faire America. We will shortly become
like Germany, France, the United Kingdom, or Sweden -- a socialist democracy in
which the government dominates the economy, determines private-sector priorities
and offers a vastly expanded range of services to many more people at much
higher taxes.... (however, I'm sure this is good news to short-sighted Obama acolytes)

Obama will accomplish his agenda of "reform" under the rubric of "recovery." Using the electoral mandate bestowed on a Democratic Congress by restless voters and the economic power given his administration by terrified Americans, he will change our country fundamentally in the name of lifting the depression. His stimulus packages won't do much to shorten the downturn -- although they will make it less painful -- but they will do a great deal to change our nation. (Well, he was elected based on change, right? He going to deliver change but will you like the changes?)

In implementing his agenda, Barack Obama will emulate the example of Franklin D. Roosevelt. (Not the liberal mythology of the New Deal, but the actuality of what it accomplished.) When FDR took office, he was enormously successful in averting a total collapse of the banking system and the economy. But his New Deal measures only succeeded in lowering the unemployment rate from 23 percent in 1933, when he took office, to 13 percent in the summer of 1937. It never went lower. And his policies of over-regulation generated such business uncertainty that they triggered a second-term recession. Unemployment in 1938 rose to 17 percent and, in 1940, on the verge of the war-driven recovery, stood at 15 percent. (These data and the real story of Hoover's and Roosevelt's missteps, uncolored by ideology, are available in The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes, copyright 2007.)
But in the name of a largely unsuccessful effort to end the Depression, Roosevelt passed crucial and permanent reforms that have dominated our lives ever since, including Social Security, the creation of the Securities and Exchange Commission, unionization under the Wagner Act, the federal minimum wage and a host of other fundamental changes.

Obama's record will be similar, although less wise and more destructive. He will begin by passing every program for which liberals have lusted for decades, from alternative-energy sources to school renovations, infrastructure repairs and technology enhancements. These are all good programs, but they normally would be stretched out for years. But freed of any constraint on the deficit -- indeed, empowered by a mandate to raise it as high as possible -- Obama will do them all rather quickly.

But it is not his spending that will transform our political system, it is his tax and welfare policies. In the name of short-term stimulus, he will give every American family (who makes less than $200,000) a welfare check of $1,000 euphemistically called a refundable tax credit. And he will so sharply cut taxes on the middle class and the poor that the number of Americans who pay no federal income tax will rise from the current one-third of all households to more than half. In the process, he will create a permanent electoral majority that does not pay taxes, but counts on ever-expanding welfare checks from the government. The dependency on the dole, formerly limited in pre-Clinton days to 14 million women and children on Aid to Families with Dependent Children, will now grow to a clear majority of the American population. (But, this will not be a bad thing for the Obama acolytes that I know. They'll take $1000 now without thinking of the long-term implications)

Will he raise taxes? Why should he? With a congressional mandate to run the deficit up as high as need be, there is no reason to raise taxes now and risk aggravating the depression. Instead, Obama will follow the opposite of the Reagan strategy. Reagan cut taxes and increased the deficit so that liberals could not increase spending. Obama will raise spending and increase the deficit so that conservatives cannot cut taxes. And, when the economy is restored, he will raise taxes with impunity, since the only people who will have to pay them would be rich Republicans. (Except all republican's aren't rich. Although this less financially fortunate republican was hoping to be)

In the name of stabilizing the banking system, Obama will nationalize it. Using Troubled Asset Relief Program funds to write generous checks to needy financial institutions, his administration will demand preferred stock in exchange. Preferred stock gets dividends before common stockholders do. With the massive debt these companies will owe to the government, they will only be able to afford dividends for preferred stockholders -- the government, not private investors. So who will buy common stock? And the government will demand that its bills be paid before any profits that might materialize are reinvested in the financial institution, so how will the value of the stocks ever grow? Devoid of private investors, these institutions will fall ever more under government control. (Wow, Uncles Sam is going to have banks by the seminal gonads and private investors will be a thing of the past...bye, bye to the dreams of those of us who hoped to prosper in the free market)

Obama will begin the process by limiting executive compensation. Then he will urge restructuring and lowering of home mortgages in danger of default (as the feds have already done with Citibank). (What about people who have maintained their mortgages -- They should be penalized for being responsible citizens)

Then will come guidance on the loans to make and government instructions on the types of enterprises to favor. God grant that some Blagojevich type is not in charge of the program, using his power to line his pockets. The United States will find itself with an economic system comparable to that of Japan, where the all-powerful bureaucracy at MITI (Ministry of International Trade and Industry) manages the economy, often making mistakes like giving mainframe computers priority over the development of laptops.

But it is the health care system that will experience the most dramatic and traumatic of changes. The current debate between erecting a Medicare-like governmental single payer or channeling coverage through private insurance misses the essential point. Without a lot more doctors, nurses, clinics, equipment and hospital beds, health resources will be strained to the breaking point. The people and equipment that now serve 250 million Americans and largely neglect all but the emergency needs of the other 50 million will now have to serve everyone. And, as government imposes ever more Draconian price controls and income limits on doctors, the supply of practitioners and equipment will decline as the demand escalates. Price increases will be out of the question, so the government will impose health care rationing, denying the older and sicker among us the care they need and even barring them from paying for it themselves. (Rationing based on income and price will be seen as immoral.) (This is when the Obama acolytes will regret their decision. Because loved ones will suffer negative or maybe even fatal effects....Was Big Mama's life worth that $1000 stimulus check?)

And Obama will move to change permanently the partisan balance in America. He will move quickly to legalize all those who have been in America for five years, albeit illegally, and to smooth their paths to citizenship and voting. He will weaken border controls in an attempt to hike the Latino vote as high as he can in order to make red states like Texas into blue states like California. By the time he is finished, Latinos and African-Americans will cast a combined 30 percent of the vote. If they go by top-heavy margins for the Democrats, as they did in 2008, it will assure Democratic domination (until they move up the economic ladder and become good Republicans.(This is the REAL REASON for Obama's speed of light political ascention. The DNC and Liberal elitist knew this....It was politically calculated)

And he will enact the check-off card system for determining labor union representation, repealing the secret ballot in union elections. The result will be to raise the proportion of the labor force in unions up to the high teens from the current level of about 12 percent.

Finally, he will use the expansive powers of the Federal Communications Commission to impose "local" control and ownership of radio stations and to impose the "fairness doctrine" on talk radio. The effect will be to drive talk radio to the Internet, fundamentally change its economics, and retard its growth for years hence.
But none of these changes will cure the depression. It will end when the private sector works through the high debt levels that triggered the collapse in the first place. And, then, the large stimulus package deficits will likely lead to rapid inflation, probably necessitating a second recession to cure it. (The intention would be to silence dissenting voices. At this point socialism is too soft a description. I'd dare say communism.)

So Obama's name will be mud by 2012 and probably by 2010 as well. And the Republican Party will make big gains and regain much of its lost power.
But it will be too late to reverse the socialism of much of the economy, the demographic change in the electorate, the rationing of healthcare by the government, the surge of unionization and the crippling of talk radio. (Sigh, sigh, sigh -- Hope and Change deconstructed.)(Source) - Commentary CBW's

79 comments:

JudyBright said...

I know this is probably impossible, but what if we could get a ton of people to mail their checks back to the White House when we get them? Tell the President our country is worth more than $1000.00 to us. I'd do it.

JMK said...

Great comments on an interesting article, CBW.

The problem I have with Morris' assumptions is his use of "free market" and "socialism."

Western European nations like Sweden, Germany and England are NOT "socialist economies and America's is NOT and has NOT BEEN a "free market" economy since around 1912.

Socialism is founded on the ABOLITION of PRIVATE PROPERTY and free markets are UNREGULATED markets.

What we and Western Europe have is a REGULATED Market-based economy.

Within the regulated market-based economy there are two schools of thought, lying at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

The Supply Side school favors MORE market, LESS regualtion and low taxes.

The Keynesian school (after John Maynard Keynes) favors more government management of the market, more regulation, a larger "social safety net" and higher taxes.

So, "socialism" and "free market" are both widely misused terms and Dick Morris adds to that here.

Barack Obama appears to be a diehard Keynesian. So was Richard Nixon, LBJ, George Bush Sr. (Bush-41), Jimmy Carter and G W Bush was largely a Keynesian (he LOVED government spending).

Only Ronald Reagan and the Clinton-GINGRICH combo were true Supply Siders! The Gingrich Congress was the ONLY Congress in the past 100 years to actually CUT the federal budget and that was responsible for all those surpluses and some of the LOWEST Misery Indexes (the inflation and unemployment rates combined) since WW II.

Among the strongest supporters of some kind of “Universal (government managed) health care are America’s businesses and industries! Personally, I believe that there will be some move toward nationalized health care (America’s businesses no longer want to be saddled with that responsibility and government doesn’t want to allow that untaxed compensation to exist any longer...even McCain campaigned against that tax-free benefit) but it will come along with allowing individuals to purchase their own supplemental insurance, and YES, that’ll make poorer people subject to rationing, while more well-off people may avoid that.

I also believe that “Fairness Doctrine” will be defeated, or if not defeated, so written as it can...and will be able to be used to force Liberal outlets to give equal time, perhaps even proportional (and there are twice as many Conservatives as Liberals in America) representation of Conservatives on those outlets.

Look, bottom-line, Conservatives must (1) recognize that IDEOLOGY is more important than Party and (2) they MUST learn to use the media and make real inroads into media ownership, which has been dominated by Leftists, mainly Corporate leftists for decades.

Dick Morris is an interesting guy, but he’s got a lot of things wrong in this piece, in my view.

uptownsteve said...

Conservative Black Woman sez,

"I am fed up with what has happening within the black community. Too many of our families are broken, too many of us are morally degenerate and too many of us are willing to blame all of our pathology on slavery, George Bush, the Republican party or anything but our failures as Parents, Husbands, Wives and Christians."

This is all I need to know about you.

Just another blogosphere coon peddling negrophobia to get yourself noticed.

You negroes have no shame whatsoever.

uptownsteve said...

Oh CBW,

You do realize that the recession and tanking economy is the result of Bush's unfettered "free market" policies, don't you?

And you're asking for more?

More of the Buch legacy.

Sprint cutting 8,000 jobs.
Home Depot cutting 7,000 jobs.
Caterpillar cuts 20,000 workers.

Conservative Black Woman said...

@Uptown Steve~LOL LOL LOL. Now I can honestly say that I have never been called a "coon" it is truly a first. Why am I not surprised that such a disparaging slur would be hurled towards me by a black Quasi-socialist progressive racism chaser like yourself. You militant Negroes never cease to amaze me.

Get myself noticed? Have you looked at my blog hits? If my goal is to be noticed then I'm doing a piss-poor job of it. I blog for sport not profit you dumb-ass pissant.

Peddling Blackphobia? Paleez, you my pathetic misinformed, misguided, negro friend with a PHd. are delusional!!!!

Do us both a favor and continue to spit your venom on Cobb's blog. I'm fair game over there if I leave a comment. But don't bring your monkey-ass to my blog and talk shit. Why are you visiting my blog anyway? Be gone you iniquitous Son Of A Bitch!!!!!

uptownsteve said...

Aunt Jemima meltdown!!!!

It never ceases to amaze me how touchy you coonservatives are.

Your posts and blogs are just an endless stream of anti-black venom and propoganda yet you cry little children when we push back.

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!

Conservative Black Woman said...

Aunt Jemima? Whoo...you are on a roll. Don't flatter yourself. You are not capable of melting this CBW down or of making me cry. The only tears that will roll for you are tears of pity.

Clearly, you have not read my blog because there is nothing venomous or anti-black anywhere to be found. But....I'm sure you would rather just make assumptions. Knock yourself out as you Roll YBAOFL. Meltdown....Negro Please.

uptownsteve said...

CBW sez there is nothing anti-black on her blog after I reposted this filth from her HOMEPAGE.

"too many of us are morally degenerate and too many of us are willing to blame all of our pathology on slavery, George Bush, the Republican party or anything but our failures as Parents, Husbands, Wives and Christians."

Are you crazy?

Now maybe you see nothing but failure in your personal world but I definitely don't.

I live in a world where black people are strivers and achievers and I am sick to death of foot shufflin self hating negroes like your shortcomings and dysfunction on the rest of us.

Take that minstrel $hit back to the set of "Sleepy Time South".

Conservative Black Woman said...

""too many of us are morally degenerate and too many of us are willing to blame all of our pathology on slavery, George Bush, the Republican party or anything but our failures as Parents, Husbands, Wives and Christians."


Uptownsteve~If you consider the above paragraph filthy, anti-black propaganda then it is pointless to continue going back and forth with you...but, be sure that I don't hate myself or I don't even hate myself or any black person. I never said that black people were not strivers and achievers. I said TOO MANY of OUR people.... I don't know about you Uptown but I don't like seeing MY PEOPLE at the bottom of every freakin' demographic. If I hated myself or MY PEOPLE I wouldn't give a damn about what's happening within Our community.

If you feel that I am misguided and thereby harmful (because of my huge blogshere presence(sarcasm))then why wouldn't you engage me in constructive dialogue. Why hurl racial slurs? How does that empower Our People? Why do you BQSPFRC's hate black people who dare to call themselves conservative?

BTW, I've never had enough rhythm to do any "shufflin". Does your little Pee-Pee get hard everytime you call a conservative a "coon, mistrel, steppin/fetchit, aunt jemima, uncle tom?

Constructive Feedback said...

I see that you have met "UptownSteve".

Thus far Steve has been banned from the blogs of at least 2 Black females for calling them out of their name.

Don't take it personal CBW. He can't help himself with people who disagree with him.

DJ Black Adam said...

Well, after the last near 30 years of supply side economics, I don't fear a little balance, some aspects of socialism are necessary even in a capitalistic system. Somethings, just shouldn't be profit driven, and the markets have once again proved to not be best left to govern or police "themselves", especially in the financial services industry.

DJ Black Adam said...

This statement:

"too many of us are morally degenerate and too many of us are willing to blame all of our pathology on slavery, George Bush, the Republican party or anything but our failures as Parents, Husbands, Wives and Christians."

I believe that this statement has merit, however, it isn't an either or from my vantage point. Society and particullarly our govenrment, which should represent society, has its own specific and important part of our social contract. Individuals have their responsibilities, so does society.

While I can admit many individuals buy into a victim mentality, society often time is structured to help make consumers and workers victims.

Just saying...

uptownsteve said...

CF,

You're a liar.

BTW Rastus, I'm Shiek Yerbouti on BR.

I can post there anytime I want to.

I just choose not to because BR presently sucks.

Ms. Riley has run off her strongest contributors with her silly rules and inconsistencies.

So BR is left with head scratchin ranters and trolls like YOU.

uptownsteve said...

"How does that empower Our People? Why do you BQSPFRC's hate black people who dare to call themselves conservative?"

Our people by and large ARE EMPOWERED.

It's only a minority of us who are dysfunctional and criminal.

But you'd never know that listening to you black righties.

However, your tactics are so transparent.

You have to demonize and slander the black community in order to rationalize your total disconnect to it.

uptownsteve said...

"While I can admit many individuals buy into a victim mentality, society often time is structured to help make consumers and workers victims."

Do you think that this is race specific?

It's kind of obvious that CBW and most other black conservatives are convinced that it is.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

You asked: "Do you think that this is race specific?"

Race specific? Hmmmm. That depends. Race can be at least an agitating factor for how society handles things, it is one of many factors, and once it has been identified, the individual has to be prepared to navigate life in spite of such obstacles.

My main point of contention with Democrats and by mutual implication the “left”, is that often, people like Jesse Jackson Sr, Michael Eric Dyson and White Liberals have a habit of wanting Blacks to remain perpetual victims, and reinforcing that mentality, for the sole purpose of keeping them in their base.

My main point of contention with the GOP, aside from its almost institutionalized racist views on Blacks, is that they act as if a tax cut or a “work hard” speech addresses systemic problems of classism in this country, further, they often seel out to corporate interest things that should NOT be left to markets or predicated on profits (i.e. health care, prisons).

Conservative Black Woman said...

CF~I've read several of Uptown's comments over at Cobb's blog. I'm surprised that he would even bother visiting this blog and subject himself to the "filthy propaganda" which spews forth.


DJ Black Adam~Thank you for leaving a reasonable non-offensive commentary.

Last but not least....

Uptown Steve~Obviously moral degeneration, parental, spousal and christian failure are not RACE SPECIFIC...(why must I explain the obvious) But I am A black, Christian, Wife and Mother and therefore my concern is for BLACK PEOPLE. Tell me why is it a bad thing for me to notice that things aren't perfect in "Our communtity" and I'd love for things to get better?

Also, out of the 144 blog posts on this blog only 3 speak to "black pathology" so how praytell do you conclude that I "black bash for personal recognition on this blog? Tell me how any of the 3 post where I have demonized or slandered black folks!!! I sincerely implore you Uptown Steve to tell me how my views are harmful to our community?

Oh yes, I have not "disconnected" from the black community, so there is nothing to rationalize. But if I am self-loathing as you have asserted why would I feel compelled to rationalize separation?

DJ Black Adam said...

Sorry Uptown I didn’t answer the OTHER Half of the question:

I wrote: “While I can admit many individuals buy into a victim mentality…”

Which you asked:

“Do you think that this is race specific?”

Of course not. It is utilized on different ways on different people. White males who join the Neo-Nazi’s, etc. feel that THEY are victims and people utilize that to recruit them.

With African Americans, as I stated, the left perpetuates this within the Black Community, often times done so by some of our own “so-called” Black leaders, however, I would not count Barack Obama as someone who is trying to add to that, in fact, I believe quite the opposite from our president.

uptownsteve said...

"My main point of contention with Democrats and by mutual implication the “left”, is that often, people like Jesse Jackson Sr, Michael Eric Dyson and White Liberals have a habit of wanting Blacks to remain perpetual victims, and reinforcing that mentality, for the sole purpose of keeping them in their base.'


Aww, this is out and out GARBAGE.

Explain to me how Democrats, particularly during the Obama campaign reinforced a "victim" mentality among blacks.

Race was hardly even mentioned outside of black men being singled out by Obama for lectures on responsibility.

Adam, black folks don't need Jesse or Dyson to tell them what their realities are.

I aint mad at Jesse, Al or Dyson for remaining vigilant and letting racists know that somebody is always watching and gonna make some noise if they act up.

How that translates into a "victimhood mentality" I'll never figure out.

DJ Black Adam said...

@CBW:

You have to excuse knee jerk reactions to when you state what is painfully obvious. There are serious internal problems that need to be addressed from WITHIN the African American community, simple and plain. No matter how simple or plain, it is painful to see the actuality our collective ahs become, not just African Americans, but Americans in general.

I think most African Americans are like most Americans, working and trying to keep their heads above water.

I think even Uptown would have to agree with that.

I feel disconnected from many African Americans, and it is clearly because of value system differences, but I am disconnected from many Americans who aren't Black, for the same reason. I think the AA community has bought into this capitalistic greed based C.R.E.A.M. (as the Wu Tang Clan would say) society, and because of our small numbers, the result of rampant materialism, misogyny and greed are more apparent.

uptownsteve said...

"But I am A black, Christian, Wife and Mother and therefore my concern is for BLACK PEOPLE.:

This is another classic black conservative diversion.

How in God's name can you people claim to be past race or post racial or color blind and then turn right around and single black people out for bad behavior?

You wanna talk about criminals, let's talk about criminals.

You wanna talk irresponsibility, let's talk irresponsibility.

But why oh why do conservatives have to racialize dysfunction.

They damn sure don't racialize achievement.

DJ Black Adam said...

Uptown:

You wrote:

“I aint mad at Jesse, Al or Dyson for remaining vigilant and letting racists know that somebody is always watching and gonna make some noise if they act up.”

Tovarisch, Each of those gentlemen are vigilant about themselves being part of the so-called “talented tenth” and having to take care of “us po’ black folk” that don’t know no better and can’t ever be entitled to the things that they have.

Jesse, Al and Dyson tell Blacks their problems are the “White man”, rarely (if ever, aside from a Fathers day service at some Baptist or COGIC church) addressing the internal problems that MUST be dealt with, and dealing with what WE have control over, simple and plain.

uptownsteve said...

"There are serious internal problems that need to be addressed from WITHIN the African American community, simple and plain."

Name ONE that isn't present in the larger society as well.

uptownsteve said...

"Jesse, Al and Dyson tell Blacks their problems are the “White man”,"

More lies.

Produce a quote from any of them which proves your assertion.

Jesse Jackson spoke at my high school 30 years ago and didn't mention one word about oppression or "the white man".

He said "If my mind can concieve it then I can achieve it".

"I am SOMEBODY."

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

I'm from Chicago, SOUTH side, been to more "Operation P.U.S.H." meetings that you have posts here, so please, SPARE ME the Jesse jackson Defense Fund stuff, Read Juan William's book "ENOUGH", then talk to me.

uptownstev said...

How come black conservatives never answer a direct question?

BTW Juan Williams is a bottom dwelling mercenary who actually was a Jackson advisor when it was hip to be so and then sold out to rightwing when THAT became fashionable.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

I wrote:

“"There are serious internal problems that need to be addressed from WITHIN the African American community, simple and plain."

Your reply:

“Name ONE that isn't present in the larger society as well.”

Irrelevant. Know I see why you like Dyson, you’re making the same irrelevant argument.

If my house is falling apart, should I say “Well, look at everyone elses house, not much better shape than mine”?

Such an argument is Inane. NO, WE must do better for OURSELVES rather the rest of the world follows, WE are responsible for OUR children, WE cannot afford to do things that some others do, we have a much shorter trip to the bottom. Basic sociological – fiscal actuality.

Conservative Black Woman said...

"How in God's name can you people claim to be past race or post racial or color blind and then turn right around and single black people out for bad behavior?"

When have I said in my dialogue with you today or in any of my 144 blog post, or 6 podcasts that I am past race, post racial, or color blind. I just don't give a damn if white (or black for that matter) people like, love or hate me. So what??? I will not be limited by someone else's sin. Yes, racism is a sin condition and you my "brutha" have called me more racist names than any white person ever has (at least to my face).

Why can't black conservative answer direct questions? RUFKM? I have asked you several questions to which you have yet to respond.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

You wrote:

“How come black conservatives never answer a direct question?”

How come so-called Black liberals and academic leftist define anyone who advocates social responsibly and individual accountability a Conservative. Tovarsisch, you are miles away and in the complete wrong direction on that.

You wrote:

“BTW Juan Williams is a bottom dwelling mercenary who actually was a Jackson advisor when it was hip to be so and then sold out to rightwing when THAT became fashionable.”

Juan Williams is basically a liberal, the fact that he has intimate knowledge of JJ, Sr., only cements his credibility to me on that subject.

JJ, Sr., Rev. Al, Dyson, etc, come up with good phrases, but platitudes are meaningless, even the Gospel of the Kingdom are words with POWER.

Lest look at some of your “direct questions”:

1. “Adam, black folks don't need Jesse or Dyson to tell them what their realities are.”

Didn’t infer, imply or suggest they did. I did say that Jesse and Co. have been selling Black folks out to the Democrats since the 70’s for no good reason, at the least they should have demanded some meat on OTHER black peoples plates besides there won for their 40 pieces of silver.

2. “Explain to me how Democrats, particularly during the Obama campaign reinforced a "victim" mentality among blacks”

Motis Operandi for the Democratic party, that didn’t change with Barack running, the only thing that MAY change is that Barack, not beholden to the Civil Rights hustlers, actually does some things to alleviate poverty which could have positive affects on the AA community.

Example? Since you talk about Jesse, let’s talk about the democratic fiefdom that is called: “The Chicago Public School System”.

While Jesse and Co. are calling for the inner city schools to have “pools” like their suburban counterparts, the conveniently ignore rallying the PEOPLE to demand accountability and a better curriculum for the students that DEMOCRAT RUN system is failing.

Jesse, Meeks, and the Chicago Civil Rights hustlers work up votes for Daley and the Democratic machine of Chicago, Cook County and Illinois, and they get the AA community NOT MUCH and NEXT TO NOTHING in return.

brotherkomrade said...

Uptown Steve, what i really love about CBW's quote is the sheer non-political sense to it - as if us crowding in a church and embracing a hippie nailed to a cross will make poverty (created by capitalism by the way), police brutality, and classism disappear. You know, I've always wanted for there not to be any hip-hop, BET videos, and corner boys so that these "people" can't use them as a smokescreen and diversion from our REAL problems, just so they can be faced with where they have been wrong all along. But alas, those things will always be the diversions that they must use to hide from the truth of this country and its role in the world and our lives.

[brotherkomrade grabbing his popcorn and settling in on Uptown Steve's side of the ring]

DJ Black Adam said...

@Brotherkomrade:

Tovarisch (I assume the Komrade part is sincere?).

First off, Jesus (Yeshuyah HaMosiach Adonai Shekinu) wasn't and isn't some hippie singing "peace and love" on the soul train line.

To quote Mikhail Gorbachev: ""Jesus was the first socialist, the first to seek a better life for mankind."

Bottom line, if young Black men were taught the message of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, and did INTERNALIZE THAT MESSAGE (the difference between religion and spirituality is that religion deals with outside, spirituality deals with the INSIDE), you WOULD see a significant POSITIVE change in the community.

Appetit prikhodit vo vremya yedy, Tovarisch.

Conservative Black Woman said...

Oh Gawd!!! BrotherKomrade!!! LOL!!! Are you stalking little old "low-rent" CBW? I thought I left you in the "field" lol.

Can you explain to me why your bff Uptown will not answer my really simple "low-level" conservative questions? I'm still waiting.....

DJ Black Adam~In which society would you prefer to live if you could choose -- Capitalistic or Socialistic? Do you think that Barack Obama is a socialist at heart? Do you think he used Saul Alinksky's Rules for Radicals tactics in this election?

DJ Black Adam said...

@CBW:

I'd prefer to live in a democracy, that worked with a fairly regulated capitalist system, but one that knew how far to go with that captitalism, therefore knew hen a more sociolistic system was necessary (i.e. health Care, Education, Prisions, Military), somethings should not be letf to Corporate interests.

As for President Obama, Barack is no socialist, I actually laugh at that assertion. Barack has to walk the middle, he may be left like Roosevelt and Truman, but he ain't no Trotsky...

uptownsteve said...

"WE must do better for OURSELVES rather the rest of the world follows, WE are responsible for OUR children, WE cannot afford to do things that some others do, we have a much shorter trip to the bottom."

I'm doing fine as as most of te black people I know.

Now if you've got issues, seek help.

DJ Black Adam said...

As for "Saul Alinksky's Rules for Radicals tactics", it is clear that some of that was present, and I think it was a good thing. He energized the masses, and in my opinion, these masses have been ignored since REAGAN for the benefit of Corporate greed.

The question is, will Pres. Barack Obama be "Clinton" two, or will he really do the things that need to be done regardless of the Conservative and Liberal toes he will have to step on to do them....

uptownsteve said...

"as if us crowding in a church and embracing a hippie nailed to a cross will make poverty (created by capitalism by the way), police brutality, and classism disappear."

These black righties just repeat the same cue card crap they hear on Fox TV and swear that they are independent thinkers.

ROTFLMBAO!!!!

DJ Black Adam said...

Uptown:

"I'm doing fine as as most of te black people I know."

Well, I guess you feel no need to empower other Blacks who AREN'T doing well, to do well as you or I. Now you definately sound like Jesse and Co....

To each his or her own...

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

What is your problem with Jesus?

uptownsteve said...

Adam squeals......

"Irrelevant. Know I see why you like Dyson, you’re making the same irrelevant argument."

You dismiss the question as irrelevant because you can't answer it.

There is not one pathology "unique" to black people.

However we were the only group of people in America who had a govenment sanctioned system set up specifically to keep us in second class status until a mere 45 years ago.

uptownsteve said...

"Well, I guess you feel no need to empower other Blacks who AREN'T doing well, to do well as you."

I would like to see all disenfranchised people empowered to have access to the American dream through education and opportunity.

BTW, what are you doing to help poor black folks?

I hope it's more than the average black conservative who is content to perform for white bigots who won't even eat at the same table with them.

uptownsteve said...

"What is your problem with Jesus?"

Nothing.

Great prophet and teacher.

But negro, if your "deliverer" doesn't look like you, then you have serious identity issues.

uptownsteve said...

"Can you explain to me why your bff Uptown will not answer my really simple "low-level" conservative questions? I'm still waiting....."

What haven't I answered?

Do you respond to disembodied voices?

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

You wrote: "You dismiss the question as irrelevant because you can't answer it."

I did answer it, you just don't like the answer. If Latino schools or White schools have the same problems as Black schools is irrelevant. We need to deal with OUR house. Simple as that, we can point at other situations, sure, but how does that help us correct our own?

You continue with:

"However we were the only group of people in America who had a govenment sanctioned system set up specifically to keep us in second class status until a mere 45 years ago"

And? Thank God Malcolm X and Dr. King used that as a REASON to do something, not an excuse as to why they couldn't.

You asked: "BTW, what are you doing to help poor black folks?"

What I can, I see no reason to compare resumes, suffice to say I teach where I can to who I can, I contribute financially where I can, this in reference to not just the Black community in America, but the greater Diaspora and the pan-African community as a whole, including our motherland.

"I hope it's more than the average black conservative..."

Get off of it dude, any one here with a 8th grade reading comprehension ability could clearly see I am not a conservative....I really hope you got more than cookie cutter "conservative" arguments...

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

You wrote: “But negro, if your "deliverer" doesn't look like you, then you have serious identity issues.”

My ancestry is from Beta Israel, I am pretty sure Jesus looked a whole lot like me, not that it should matter…if a building was on fire and a White hand came to “deliver” you, would you smack it away or embrace it?

uptownsteve said...

"How come so-called Black liberals and academic leftist define anyone who advocates social responsibly and individual accountability a Conservative."

Still more nonsense.

These are my problems with black conservatives.

a. Providing a mouthpiece and shield for white racism.

b. Using fake or cooked statistics as well as twisted logic to buttress arguements singularly focused on so-called "black deparavity".

c. Relationships with racist or white supremacist organizations.

d. Absolute failure to recognize or acknowledge black achievement

e. No vested interest or representation within the black community. Even though you claim to "love us" so much.

f. cynical use of racially charged issues for exposure and profit (the same things you acuse Jackson and Sharpton of)

g. The culture of black conservative victimology.

"Why oh why do they call us traitors, sellouts and Uncle Toms."

This is right after you depict the black community as barely domesticated animals and accuse us of being responsible for every ill that aflicts America.

uptownsteve said...

"I did answer it, you just don't like the answer. If Latino schools or White schools have the same problems as Black schools is irrelevant."

You show me how a hispanic barrio school is any different than an inner city black school.

The schools out in my black suburban area are outstanding and sending kids to colleges like the Naval Academy, Univ of MD (my alma mater) and George Washington Univer where my son is currently in the MBA program.

What you ridiculously describe as "black" problems are socio-economic problems.

The black middle class has the same values and behavior of middle class people of any hue.

What is wrong with you people?

uptownsteve said...

"if a building was on fire and a White hand came to “deliver” you, would you smack it away or embrace it?"

Fire departments are government agencies funded by the tax dollars of citizens and homeowners like myself so regardless of race I expect them to do their jobs.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

You wrote: "You show me how a hispanic barrio school is any different than an inner city black school."

It doesn’t MATTER, unless Blacks and Latinos want to compare note son how to make it BETTER.

You continue with: "The schools out in my black suburban area are outstanding and sending kids to colleges like the Naval Academy, Univ of MD (my alma mater) and George Washington Univer where my son is currently in the MBA program."

That’s great, how about those school adopt an inner city school or failing schools in other Black Suburban communities that aren’t doing as well.

You conclude with “What you ridiculously describe as "black" problems are socio-economic problems.”

Not quite. I'm not suggesting that RACE is the problem, but a MENTALITY perpetuated by the LEFT.

For example, Matteson, IL, predominately Black suburb of Chicago, income information is as follows (information from the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council):

2006 Est. Tract Median Family Income $93,081, Percentage of population that is minority 72.66%

Now lets look at a similar size Community, Tinley Park, IL, predominately White suburb of Chicago, income information is as follows (information from the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council):

2006 Est. Tract Median Family Income $82,338.81, Percentage of population that is minority 9.86%

The School System for Tinley Park, IL (School District 146), this is how they did per State of Illinois standards, From:

http://www.district146.org/generalinfo/Report%20Cards/Illinois%20District%20Report%20Card.pdf

As of 2004, the schools testing overall percentages of state test scores categorized as meeting or exceeding the Illinois Learning Standards for your school, district, and the state. These performance measures include only test scores for the grades and subjects (reading, mathematics and science), this districts meeting or exceeding: 79.4% state average was 65.2%.

Now let's look at predominately Black Matteson, IL School district (School District 159) this is how they did per State of Illinois standards, From:

http://www.dist159.com/PDF%20docs/Report%20cards/District%2005%20School%20Report%20Card.pdf

As of 2004, the schools testing overall percentages of state test scores categorized as meeting or exceeding the Illinois Learning Standards for your school, district, and the state. These performance measures include only test scores for the grades and subjects (reading, mathematics and science), this districts meeting or exceeding: 62.3% state average was 65.2%

Conclusion? The predominantly Black Matteson area’s median income is: $93,081 and the percentage of students that meet or exceed the standards of the State of Illinois is 62.3% which is BELOW the state’s average. Whereas the predominately White Tinley Park has a median income of: $82,338.81 and the percentage of students that meet or exceed the average of the State of Illinois is 79.4% which is ABOVE the state’s standards.

These South Suburban Chicago towns are right next to each other, and if everyone were inside the house and you drove through them, you wouldn’t know the difference looking at the superficial, lawns, houses, etc.,etc. So, is the problem Income? Obviously not. Both school systems are funded similarly by Cook County Property taxes. The people in Matteson are paying more in fact and getting less. Instead of listening to people blame the White Man, they need to get off of their arses and demand some accountability in curriculum. Simple as that.

Now of course this is a sampling, a microcosm, but I would bet this is similar in DC, New York, Detroit, Atlanta, etc., etc. Black Parents need to stop being "inspired" by politicians words and charisma and start getting some meat on their plates. Step up and demand a high curriculum so that Black students be prepared to succeed collgiately.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown

"Fire departments are government agencies funded by the tax dollars of citizens and homeowners like myself so regardless of race I expect them to do their jobs."

Sorry, I didn't say "Fireman or Fire Person", if you were trapped in a fire, no way out and some random White person could resuce you, would you let them. THAT is the question.

uptownsteve said...

"That’s great, how about those school adopt an inner city school or failing schools in other Black Suburban communities that aren’t doing as well."

WHAT?????????????

How do you propose this relationship to be viable?

Busing?

"Conclusion? The predominantly Black Matteson area’s median income is: $93,081 and the percentage of students that meet or exceed the standards of the State of Illinois is 62.3% which is BELOW the state’s average. Whereas the predominately White Tinley Park has a median income of: $82,338.81 and the percentage of students that meet or exceed the average of the State of Illinois is 79.4% which is ABOVE the state’s standards."

What is the state average?

Where do the inner city schools place?

uptownsteve said...

"Sorry, I didn't say "Fireman or Fire Person", if you were trapped in a fire, no way out and some random White person could resuce you, would you let them. THAT is the question."

Isn't being rescued from a fire some what of an allegorical strech from eternal salvation?

I also think that you're suggesting that I am anti-white which is ridiculous.

I have white people in my family as well as several very dear friends.

Which is why I KNOW that they are no different than we are.

No better or worse.

I think black conservatives are still struggling with that fact.

Conservative Black Woman said...

Uptown says:"I think black conservatives are still struggling with that fact."


Well, that explains alot. You clearly don't know any black conservatives and clearly have not read this blog beyond he profile.

So if you wish to wallow in misinformtion as it pertains to me because of my ideology then so be it. I was hoping we could dialogue reasonable but I see that you would rather ignore me (ON MY DAMN BLOG) nonetheless as you I am in your opinion "disembodied". What a smug little radical you are.

uptownsteve said...

"I was hoping we could dialogue reasonable but I see that you would rather ignore me (ON MY DAMN BLOG) nonetheless as you I am in your opinion "disembodied". What a smug little radical you are."

Calm down my sista.

I apologize for calling you names.

You actually are pretty cool given the fact that I wasn't banned for my initial hostility, so props to you.

I'll be civil from this point forward.

Black conservative blog overload I guess.

"What a smug little radical you are."

CBW, there is nothing "radical" about me.

I am a 49 year old husband, father, veteran, homeowner, software salesman, beer drinker....you name the banality, I live it.

I just get sick and tired of conservatives depicting black folks as this outgroup furiously resisting being part of the American mainstream.

It's ridiculous.

We ARE AMERICA.

Barack's election is now the universally recognized STAMP of that fact.

Most of us are just out here trying to make it, pay our bills, love our kids, and live our lives in peace.

We are NOT the thugs on videos or on "The Wire".

Don't you see?

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

"How do you propose this relationship to be viable?"

It's a simple move, of show and tell, or rather show and prove...Each one teach one, the good schools you are blessed with can help set up curriculem and other programs with the not-so good schools. Share what works.

You asked (regarding Jesus): "Isn't being rescued from a fire some what of an allegorical strech from eternal salvation?"

If the Bible is correct, salvation rescuses one from eternal fire, so the analogy seems to work.

Thanks for at least admiting, you're only racist, when dealing with spiritual saving not physical...

Attorneymom said...

Hat tip to CBW, Uptownsteve and DJ Black Adam for making my day. From CBW cussing to DJ Black Adam writing in tongues, I really enjoyed discourse among all of you today.

I would like to do a podcast with all of you. Let me know if you are interested.

Uptownsteve, check out my post on black bloggers at http://charactercorner.blogspot.com/2009/01/sidebar-comment-of-day-by-sista-pamela.html

DJ Black Adam said...

@Attorneymom:

"DJ Black Adam writing in tongues'

lolololololol, though I admire the pentecostal tradition, that was just Russian.

A podcast would be pretty cool, I'm game, let me know when.

Conservative Black Woman said...

"I am a 49 year old husband, father, veteran, homeowner, software salesman, beer drinker....you name the banality, I live it."

Uptown Steve~I apologize for losing my temper as well. I don't view all black people as thugs.I am well aware that segment of our community is a miniscule minority. I just believe that as a community we have lost our way (not everyone). Most of my friends and family are working, own homes, care deeply for their children, are involved and are pro-active as it pertains to their children's education. But their is a segment of our community that does not value marriage and that's a problem not only morally (I don't want to sound like a super-saint because I'm not)but economically and the fiber of our families are falling apart because of this. OK, so I know white folks dont value marriage either and its not just a racial thing. But I'm not concerned about white folks (as much)I care about black folks. I care about my daughter's future husband prospects. I also have several girlfriends who are phenomenal(sp) women who are single --problem!

Lets talk...Attorney Mom would like to do a podcast with the three of us -- I'm in, DJ Black Adam is in, what about you Uptown? Constructive Feedback & Brother Komrade (actually you scare me) would you join us as well?

uptownsteve said...

Adam sez........

"Thanks for at least admiting, you're only racist, when dealing with spiritual saving not physical..."

puh-leeze.

Like a typical black conservative, you just luuuv you some white folks.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

"Like a typical black conservative, you just luuuv you some white folks."

No, I just don't hate them. You need to work on your phraseology Tovarsich.

BTW, what branch of the service are you a veteran of?

uptownsteve said...

Attorney Mom, CBW

I'm down for a podcast.

Just let me know when.

My e-mail address is vaughnfair@aol.com

uptownsteve said...

CBW

"I just believe that as a community we have lost our way (not everyone)."

I disagree with this.

I think most black conservatives are nostalgists who keep referring to a time in America when blacks were humble peaceful content little angels.

BEFORE CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION.

That's the white racist argument..ie..the worse thing that happened to blacks was that the liberals got to them and made them dysfunctional.

CBW ever since there were urban centers you had an underclass.

Did you read Malcolm X autobiography about rampant crime drug use promiscuity and dysfunction in urban ghettos during the 40s and 50s????

If things were so great for blacks during the "old days" then what was the Civil Rights revolution all about?

What was the need for it if we were so content?

The poverty and illiteracy rates for blacks in 1960 was upwards of 60%. Today it's around 21%

Once the legal obstacles were shattered, most black people moved solidly into the middle class.

What we have in the inner city is a stagnant, isolated, dysfunctional underclass which is just perpetuating itself.

That has nothing to do with race and everything to do with lack of access to a decent education, positive role models and jobs with livable wages.

The question for concerned Americans is what are we going to do about that?

Give cheap "poundcake" or "just do it" speeches or make a real committment to rebuild the inner cities?

uptownsteve said...

Adam,

I don't hate 'em either and have said nothing to suggest that I do.

I was discharged a YN1 in the United States Coast Guard.

1980-1987.

Served on the CGC Dallas, at USCG Headquarters in Washington, Group Sault St. Marie, MI and 9th District office in Cleveland, OH.

Conservative Black Woman said...

UptownSteve@"I think most black conservatives are nostalgists who keep referring to a time in America when blacks were humble peaceful content little angels.

BEFORE CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION.

That's the white racist argument..ie..the worse thing that happened to blacks was that the liberals got to them and made them dysfunctional."


Hmmm... I haven't read the Autobiography of Malcolm X since college but you make a good point.

So how do you explain them the "dysfunction" within our community? Or do you feel that all is well.

uptownsteve said...

"So how do you explain them the "dysfunction" within our community? Or do you feel that all is well."

As I just stated the dysfunction is among the inner city underclass.

My black suburban neighborhood is indistinguishable from it's white counterparts except for the color of the residents.

Let me ask you something.

Do you feel, because you are black, that you are more likely to be criminal or dysfunctional than your white co-workers or associates?

If so, why?

If not, why do you racialize dysfunction?

Conservative Black Woman said...

"Do you feel, because you are black, that you are more likely to be criminal or dysfunctional than your white co-workers or associates?"

Absolutely not.

"If not, why do you racialize dysfunction?"

I don't I just don't give a damn about about the other races and what they do (gosh, that sounds racist). Heres and analogy -- If my daughter is failing miserably in school as a consequence of socializing too much; because of my love and concern for her as her parent I exact discipline. She is bone of my bone flesh of my flesh-- I care, she is mine. Likewise, when MY People don't function is ways which benefit US as a people -- I blog about, point it out in hopes that someone will see things differently. It has nothing whatsoever to do with white people. It's about us!

brotherkomrade said...

When is your next show? I'll be listening respectfully as I am lurking on this conversation.

Conservative Black Woman said...

Tentatively Tuesday Feb. 3, 2009 9:00pm EST. Moderated by Attymom Will post link on blog on by the weekend. Wish you would join us BrotherKomrade...Uptown, and DJAdam are in. BTW, BrotherKomrade thanks for admonishing Shabazz for the misogyny over at the Fieldnegro.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

USCG. I am planning on becoming a reserve officer in the CG this year.

I'm a vet myself, USMC 1990-1994 and the USAFR 1994-1998.

Now, if you could stop refering to a socailist as a "conservative", we'd be alright...

uptownsteve said...

Adam,

What, are you just testing the reserve ranks of all the services?

uptownsteve said...

"Tentatively Tuesday Feb. 3, 2009 9:00pm"

Unfortunately on Tuesday and Thursday evenings I have classes.

Enrolled in the MBA program at Univ of MD

brotherkomrade said...

You don't have to thank me, on that CBW. I do appreciate it, but all men must admonish other men when it comes to using abusive language that seeks to subjugate women.

I will name-call when it comes to right-wingers on other people's blog, but will not use oppressive language in any case.

DJ Black Adam said...

"What, are you just testing the reserve ranks of all the services?"

lol, The Air Force reserves was an interservice transfer because the Marine Reserve unit I was attached to was moved when the base closed.

So haven't done the Army, couldn't stand the Air Force, so I figured the Coast Guard was still a Naval service, not as hard charging as the Corps, but I think I'd be a pretty good officer...

Conservative Black Woman said...

UptownSteve~Does Wednesday Feb 4th work?

uptownsteve said...

Adam,

"So haven't done the Army, couldn't stand the Air Force, so I figured the Coast Guard was still a Naval service, not as hard charging as the Corps, but I think I'd be a pretty good officer..."

Believe me I've heard all the jokes about the CG.

"shallow water sailors"

The CG is the only branch of the military that has a full PEACETIME mission..ie maritime law enforcement, aids to navigation, drug interdiction and search and rescue.

On top of that, in times of Congressional declared war, the CG is assumed under the Department of the Navy and engages in combat.

The number of Coast Guardsmen who lose their lives every year conducting these peacetime missions is a secret that is kept from the American public.

The cutter I served on lost two men while rescuing the crew of a damaged tanker off the coast of Nova Scotia.

We were shot at by a Bahamian freighter transporting illegal drugs.

The CG ain't no picnic my brother.

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DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

"The CG ain't no picnic my brother."

I am sure it isn't, I wouldn't be wanting to serve as an officer in it if I thought they were light.

I am first and always foremost a Marine, but I look forward to serving with the Coast Guard.

I respect all of the Armed Forces, and especially the Naval Services, I think the members of the Coast Guard are some of the finest sailors in the world.

uptownsteve said...

Adam

Sector Lake Michigan where the Chicago area is located is one of the hottest and busiest Coast Guard sectors.

See if you can get a billet at Station Wilmette Harbor or Calumet Harbor.

You'll get all the action you want.

Beyond The Political Spectrum said...

I find it amazing that this country is inches away from economic calamity, and there are STILL individuals whio cannot think outside of the limted dogmatic mindset of "liberal vs. conservative." The best thing conservatives (and liberals to a lesser degree) can do is to stop trying to govern based on dogmatic ideology and create policy based on the needs of the people...otherwise, we're all going to be "begging"..."Socialism or not. Self-righteousness and sanctimony are poor substitutes for policy proposals.

Conservative Black Woman said...

I think you are right BTPS...I'm a work in progress...stay tuned.