Yes, I maintain that communism is the religion of the Godless and it even has it's own plan of salvation which is Utopia. The Communist vainly believes that he'll transform the heart of man by providing for all of man's material needs for him. Think back to October 31, 2008 when then President Elect Barack Obama proclaimed before an enthusiastic
Communist even have a doctrine of conversion...indoctrinate the youth. In fact our colleges and universities are veritable alters of conversion. I can tell you that for me that was the case as an undergraduate. I was Godless and wanted and in point of fact sought out righteousness, goodness and justice as long as no diety was involved. Communism was perfect.
Communists also have a standard of consecration, and self-discipline. It was Lenin who said, "Few and better." and "We won't accept into membership anybody with any reservations whatsoever. We won't accept into our membership anyone unless he is an active, disciplined, working member in one of our organizations." Now remember Michelle Obama saying "Barack will require you to work". Have you noticed how the state run media has begun to call Americans "workers"?
It's a shame that drones are so busy protecting and defending the "first black president" that they are complete oblivious to the forces at play in our nation.
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Whew,make it plain CBW. You aint' never lied!!! LOL. I said the same thing about the last Democratic Convention-it was humanists at worship. That's how they get down.
And as for the christians that can't discern what the "leftist" world view is about, it's becaue they have no true relationship with Jesus Christ. They are scripturally illiterate, not spending time in prayer, and HE is not priority in their lives. They have those "itching ears" that only want to hear the things that make them feel good. Therefore, they can't tell truth from error.
Well said CBW, well said. And ziggy, those words ring true.
CBW when you commented on Michelle's quote...it echoed so clearly in my mind the full extent of her words.
I am still as alarmed by them as I was when I first heard them.
How much more plain can it be made?
"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."--Michelle Obama
Hmmppfff, seems that isn't working to well....because the only the drones are engaging in is the proliferation of divides, and the proliferation of racism, and the proliferation of big government.
Thanks for this post!
ROME loves Barrack and his henchmen and is behind your behind being broke and Godless.
Remember that guy in the book, David. JESUS loved him so.
"It is time for thee, Lord, to work; for they have made void the law." psalm 119:126.
David hated the sobs but he knew God's hand is mighty upon us.
You laugh and laugh right in their faces - Jesus did.
Wow, thank you Conservative Unclogged for expanding on Michelle Obama's quote! It cements in my mind that I'm not too far off point regarding my low opinion of the Obamas and what they represent.
"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."--Michelle Obama
As I read that I'm thinking, my gosh she sounds like she's discribing some sort of saviour...and in her mind, I think she thinks it's obama.
"Don't want to be a Christian or believe in God? Ok. You might want to think about the alternative" is now on my blog Conscious Observer.
You're absolutely right about them CBW. It's shame for us to think this way about our president and first lady, (and our current leaders) but it's who and what and how they are, that makes us think it.
God Bless you Miss. And God Bless all who've served on this honored day.
We are definately living in troubled times. I read a very insightful book that really breaks it down as far as what Barack Obama represents. Get a copy of PostModern Times: A Christian Guide to Contempoary Thought and Culture, by Gene Edward Veith Jr. I'm reading it again for the secondand I have never wanted to read a book twice. You won't be disappointed.
Hmmmmmm interesting...
This is my first time coming across this website. I'll drop a little bit of facts on you guy's and then be out (Cause I know yall republicans don't like those facts lol)...
Can anybody tell me why there isn't a whole lot of archaeological evidence of this Ancient kingdom of Judah in what is now modern day Israel?
Or what about the archaeological evidence in the surrounding areas?
Given Abraham, Moses, David, and Salomon's prominent roles in world history (according to the Bible) you would think that these characters would at least show up in ancient Egyptian or assyrian art and artifacts wouldn't you? Where are these mystery men?
The oldest reliable archaeological evidence and references to the Jewish kingdoms from neighboring nations are from the Omrid period (9th Century B.C.), when Jewish religion hadn't yet developed into its present monotheistic form. All characters prior to this period, including Abraham, Moses, Salomon and David are in all likelihood mythological (with some probable real base, like with all myths), and accounts about their feats were compiled much later from oral traditions. However, archaeologists have found ancient inscriptions mentioning a "house of David" (Tel Dan Stele), which some historians see as a proof of the historicity of the king, or at least of a Jewish territory with that name, but most deny the existence of a vast Jewish kingdom under his rule.
The book "The Bible Unearthed", by Israeli historian Israel Finkelstein gives a good insight about this controversial subject.
P.s...... It's the same story with Jesus, I just thought I'd go after the foundation first lol...
Spot on, CBW.
And:
The complicated theory is quite simple when boiled down. It counts on the human reaction towards desire coupled with fear of loss, which causes many to forget that all things are best achieved by individual freedom. This 'theory' is constantly subverting its actual results: Without individual freedom all is lost sooner or later.
This theory would be nothing without class warfare and race baiting while restricting freedoms. This is why it latches onto anything that can promote its agenda: Like education, the media, our legislation, courts, and other gov't systems. It seems to find a comfortable home within the Democrat Party.
"The complicated theory is quite simple when boiled down. It counts on the human reaction towards desire coupled with fear of loss, which causes many to forget that all things are best achieved by individual freedom."
Right on, and truly, the communist ideal could not find root in a God-fearing society. As a people turn from God, they seek to find their peace and security elsewhere, i.e. the state.
Hence,the systematic removal of references to God that have taken place since the 50s(at least the hastening of the trend at that time)has cleared the way for what we are seeing now in every aspect of our society.
And smile:
When you say, "This is why it latches onto anything that can promote its agenda: Like education, the media, our legislation, courts, and other gov't systems. It seems to find a comfortable home within the Democrat Party". You give this theory a correct form. It's like a grotesque evil creeping thing...
I never thought that America was "Christian Nation" I have always thought that Christianity was allow in this country no different than any other religion. It was a part of the freedoms that our founders wrote about.
I agree that Communism is the religion of the godless. People are not thinking, they, like you and others have mentioned, they are blind, as a christian I am not shock because God's word talks about the last days and how people would be. I do continue to pray that our president repents and be saved.
"I never thought that America was "Christian Nation" I have always thought that Christianity was allow in this country no different than any other religion. It was a part of the freedoms that our founders wrote about."
Look at the original state constitutions, even the ones after 1787, and see what they say about Christianity, the Bible, God, etc. Also, look at the US and state supreme court decisions within the generation of our founding, where they said repeatedly this is a Christian country and Christianity is part of the common laws of this country.
Ziggy: And as for the christians that can't discern what the "leftist" world view is about, it's becaue they have no true relationship with Jesus Christ. They are scripturally illiterate, not spending time in prayer, and HE is not priority in their lives. They have those "itching ears" that only want to hear the things that make them feel good. Therefore, they can't tell truth from error.
Me: I would not go that far. It could be that they are new Christians. It could be that are at different stage in their walk or sanctification with God.
Excellent post,
We have to pray for our nation and the world. I just found your blog via Booker Rising. Your post 'stirred up the pot.'
May God bless you in your endeavors
For those who question the Chrisitian roots of the USA watch this video at the bottom of this post
http://thelasttradition.blogspot.com/2009/09/attenttion-for-all-liberals-who-think.html
Thuyen Tran, America is not a christian nation. Most of the founders were Deist who allow christianity to be heard. What I do know that the only Christian nation is the body of Christ. If we truly believe what Jesus wrote then we should never get hook on rather this nation is Christian or not. We have been commanded to "go and make disiples".
Anon: Thuyen Tran, America is not a christian nation. Most of the founders were Deist who allow christianity to be heard.
Me: It is a myth by liberal historians that the founders of America were deists. At the most they can claim Ben Franklin, particularly in his younger years (he was not deistic during the founding stage, especially in his call for prayer at the Constitution Convention and his view "God works in the affairs of men"). Thomas Jefferson, while not orthodox in his beliefs, was Unitarian, not deist.
The liberal argument is that the founders were deists because they used terms like law of nature, Providence, nature's God, self-evident, etc. That's just plain ignorance of them in regards to what traditional Christian beliefs. Terms like law of nature was long taught in Christianity long before the deists, and came straight out of Romans 1:18-32 and 2:14-15. It was taught by Aquinas, then Calvin, then Locke (who used the same definition of the law of nature as those before him, being that the law of God revealed in Scriptures was written in the hearts of men, and is same as the moral aspect of the law of Moses).
And the founders did not merely allow Christianity to be heard. They promoted it through the roof.
Keep in mind those same founders who gave us the US Constitution also gave us the state constitutions, the Northwest Ordinance, the Treaty of Paris (where the Trinitarian God is actually mentioned by name), etc.
The ORIGINAL 13
by William Federer
[COMMENT: This is a review of the book by Federer, a much needed exploration of the topic.
Showing that the original colonists and Americans were Biblically oriented does not prove that Christianity is true, but it does give the case for interpreting the Constitution that way because that is the way it was written (original intent).
We Christians must get back into the fray to show that our faith is not just our best guess, but that there is real evidence for it. On relation between faith and reason, see "The Authority of the Bible in a Scientific Age". E. Fox]
Much attention is given to examining the Federal Constitution in an effort to learn what the original intent of America's founders was towards religion, yet little attention is given to examining the individual States' Constitutions, which at the time were regarded by citizens living in those States as being more important to their everyday life.
In an effort to shed light on the subject, a few excerpts are included below from the hundreds contained in the new book by William J. Federer, titled: “THE ORIGINAL 13-A Documentary History of Religion in America’s First Thirteen States” (Amerisearch, Inc., 2005, www.AmericanMinute.com):
CONSTITUTION OF VIRGINIA, June 29, 1776 (written by James Madison and George Mason): BILL OF RIGHTS, SECTION 16. That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other.
CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, June 15, 1780 (written by John Adams): ARTICLE 3. As the happiness of a people, and the good order and preservation of civil government, essentially depend upon piety, religion and morality; and as these cannot be generally diffused through a community, but by the institution of the public worship of God...Therefore, to promote their happiness and to secure the good order and preservation of their government, the people of this commonwealth have a right to invest their legislature with power to...make suitable provision...for the institution of the public worship of God, and for the support and maintenance of public Protestant teachers of piety, religion and morality...And every denomination of Christians, demeaning themselves peaceably, and as good subjects of the commonwealth, shall be equally under the protection of the law: and no subordination of any one sect or denomination to another shall ever be established by law.
NEW HAMPSHIRE CONSTITUTION, 1784:
PART 2-THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT, SENATE: That no person shall be capable of being elected a senator who is not of the Protestant religion...
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES...Every member of the house of representatives...shall be of the Protestant religion.
CONSTITUTION OF VERMONT July 8, 1777, (claimed by New Hampshire and New York at the time of the Revolution): SECTION 9...And each member, before he takes his seat, shall make and subscribe the following declaration, viz. "I ____ do believe in one God, the Creator and Governor of the Universe, the Rewarder of the good and Punisher of the wicked. And I do acknowledge the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration, and own and profess the Protestant religion."
CONSTITUTION OF MARYLAND, November 11, 1776:
ARTICLE 35. That no other test or qualification ought to be required, on admission to any office of trust or profit, than such oath of support and fidelity to this State, and such oath of office, as shall be directed by this Convention or the Legislature of this State, and a declaration of a belief in the Christian religion.
CONSTITUTION OF NEW JERSEY, 1776:
ARTICLE 19: That there shall be no establishment of any one religious sect in this Province, in preference to another; and that no Protestant inhabitant of this Colony shall be denied the enjoyment of any civil right, merely on account of his religious principles; but that all persons, professing a belief in the faith of any Protestant sect, who shall demean themselves peaceably under the government...shall be capable of being elected into any office of profit or trust.
CONSTITUTION OF PENNSYLVANIA, September 28, 1776 (Signed by Ben Franklin): PLAN OR FRAME OF GOVERNMENT, SECTION 10. And each member, before he takes his seat, shall make and subscribe the following declaration, viz: I do believe in one God, the Creator and Governor of the Universe, the Rewarder of the good and the Punisher of the wicked. And I do acknowledge the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by Divine Inspiration. And no further or other religious test shall ever hereafter be required of any civil officer or magistrate in this State.
CONSTITUTION OF DELAWARE, 1776 (written by George Read and Thomas McKean, both signers of the Declaration of Independence): ARTICLE 22. Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house, or appointed to any office or place of trust, before taking his seat, or entering upon the execution of his office, shall...make and subscribe the following declaration, to wit: "I, A B. do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration."
CONSTITUTION OF NORTH CAROLINA, 1776:
ARTICLE 32. That no person, who shall deny the being of God or the truth of the Protestant religion, or the divine authority either of the Old or New Testaments, or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall be capable of holding any office or place of trust or profit in the civil department within this State.
CONSTITUTION OF SOUTH CAROLINA, March 19, 1778:
ARTICLE 12: And that no person shall be eligible to a seat in the said senate unless he be of the Protestant religion, and hath attained the age of thirty years...
CONSTITUTION OF GEORGIA, 1777:
ARTICLE 6: The representatives shall be chosen out of the residents in each county...and they shall be of the Protestant religion.
CONSTITUTION OF CONNECTICUT, 1662 till 1818:
PREAMBLE. The People of this State being by the Providence of God, free and independent, have the sole and exclusive Right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent State; and having from their ancestors derived a free and excellent Constitution of Government whereby the legislature depends on the free and annual election of the people, they have the best security for the preservation of their civil and religious rights and Liberties. And forasmuch as the free Fruition of such Liberties and Privileges as Humanity, Civility and Christianity call for, as is due to every Man in his Place and Proportion, without impeachment and infringement, hath ever been, and will be the Tranquillity and Stability of Churches and Commonwealths.
CONSTITUTION OF RHODE ISLAND, 1663 till 1842:
That they, pursuing, with peaceable and loyal minces, their sober, serious and religious intentions, of godly edifying themselves, and one another, in the holy Christian faith and worship as they were persuaded...to hold forth a lively experiment, that a most flourishing civil state may stand and best be maintained...with a full liberty in religious concernements; and that true piety rightly grounded upon Gospel principles, will give the best and greatest security to sovereignty...Now know ye, that we being willing...to secure them in the free exercise and enjoyment of all their civil and religious rights...and to preserve unto them that liberty, in the true Christian faith and worship of God...and because some of the people and inhabitants of the same colony cannot, in their private opinions, conforms to the public exercise of religion, according to the liturgy, forms and ceremonies of the Church of England, or take or subscribe the oaths and articles made and established in that behalf; and for that the same, by reason of the remote distances of those places, will (as we hope) be no breach of the unity and uniformity established in this nation.
CONSTITUTION OF NEW YORK, April 20, 1777:
38. And whereas we are required, by the benevolent principles of rational liberty, not only to expel civil tyranny, but also to guard against that spiritual oppression and intolerance wherewith the bigotry and ambition of weak and wicked priests and princes have scourged mankind, this convention doth further, in the name and by the authority of the good people of this State, ordain, determine, and declare, that the free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever hereafter be allowed, within this State, to all mankind: Provided, That the liberty of conscience, hereby granted, shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this State.
Northwest Ordinance of 1787:
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/ordinance/text.html
Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged. The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards the Indians; their lands and property shall never be taken from them without their consent; and, in their property, rights, and liberty, they shall never be invaded or disturbed, unless in just and lawful wars authorized by Congress; but laws founded in justice and humanity, shall from time to time be made for preventing wrongs being done to them, and for preserving peace and friendship with them.
Treaty of Paris of 1783:
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/paris/text.html
In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.
It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts of the most serene and most potent Prince George the Third, by the grace of God, king of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, arch- treasurer and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America, to forget all past misunderstandings and differences that have unhappily interrupted the good correspondence and friendship which they mutually wish to restore, and to establish such a beneficial and satisfactory intercourse , between the two countries upon the ground of reciprocal advantages and mutual convenience as may promote and secure to both perpetual peace and harmony; and having for this desirable end already laid the foundation of peace and reconciliation by the Provisional Articles signed at Paris on the 30th of November 1782, by the commissioners empowered on each part, which articles were agreed to be inserted in and constitute the Treaty of Peace proposed to be concluded between the Crown of Great Britain and the said United States, but which treaty was not to be concluded until terms of peace should be agreed upon between Great Britain and France and his Britannic Majesty should be ready to conclude such treaty accordingly; and the treaty between Great Britain and France having since been concluded, his Britannic Majesty and the United States of America, in order to carry into full effect the Provisional Articles above mentioned, according to the tenor thereof, have constituted and appointed, that is to say his Britannic Majesty on his part, David Hartley, Esqr., member of the Parliament of Great Britain, and the said United States on their part, John Adams, Esqr., late a commissioner of the United States of America at the court of Versailles, late delegate in Congress from the state of Massachusetts, and chief justice of the said state, and minister plenipotentiary of the said United States to their high mightinesses the States General of the United Netherlands; Benjamin Franklin, Esqr., late delegate in Congress from the state of Pennsylvania, president of the convention of the said state, and minister plenipotentiary from the United States of America at the court of Versailles; John Jay, Esqr., late president of Congress and chief justice of the state of New York, and minister plenipotentiary from the said United States at the court of Madrid; to be plenipotentiaries for the concluding and signing the present definitive treaty; who after having reciprocally communicated their respective full powers have agreed upon and confirmed the following articles.
AnonL What I do know that the only Christian nation is the body of Christ. If we truly believe what Jesus wrote then we should never get hook on rather this nation is Christian or not. We have been commanded to "go and make disiples".
Me: No, but we still have to be accurate in what we say. Much of what we have from liberal historians who make claims about America as if the founders are secularists and as if the courts then saw this country as not religious, is just pure garbage.
I agree that the body of Christ is God's people, not any nation.
But it still does not take away the fact your statements on what the founders thought on Christianity and its role in regards to our laws, morals, and common law, is in error.
I agree to disagree with you, although I do thank you for the information.
Here I found some interesting facts,
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5243
Thomas Jefferson
Though deeply committed to a belief in natural rights, including the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, Jefferson was individualistic when it came to religion; he sifted through the New Testament to find the facts that pleased him.
Sometimes he sounded like a staunch churchman. The Declaration of Independence contains at least four references to God. In his Second Inaugural Address he asked for prayers to Israel's God on his behalf. Other times Jefferson seemed to go out of his way to be irreverent and disrespectful of organized Christianity, especially Calvinism.
It's clear that Thomas Jefferson was no evangelical, but neither was he an Enlightenment deist. He was more Unitarian than either deist or Christian.[3]
What Did the Founding Fathers Believe and Value?
When you study the documents of the Revolutionary period, a precise picture comes into focus. Here it is:
Virtually all those involved in the founding enterprise were God-fearing men in the Christian sense; most were Calvinistic Protestants.
The Founders were deeply influenced by a biblical view of man and government. With a sober understanding of the fallenness of man, they devised a system of limited authority and checks and balances.
The Founders understood that fear of God, moral leadership, and a righteous citizenry were necessary for their great experiment to succeed.
Therefore, they structured a political climate that was encouraging to Christianity and accommodating to religion, rather than hostile to it.
Protestant Christianity was the prevailing religious view for the first 150 years of our history.
However...
The Fathers sought to set up a just society, not a Christian theocracy.
They specifically prohibited the establishment of Christianity--or any other faith--as the religion of our nation.
"The Fathers sought to set up a just society, not a Christian theocracy.
They specifically prohibited the establishment of Christianity--or any other faith--as the religion of our nation."
Specifically, they were opposed to a national church out of their fear of what it was like under English colonial rule when Anglicanism was the state churches. Obviously, most of them had no objections to individual states promoting Christianity, especially Protestant denominations or otherwise they would not have wrote those into the state constitutions.
And they sure were not against biblical morality or laws informed by such. Even Jefferson wrote very draconian laws against sexual sins he saw as abominations, being polygamy, adultery and homosexuality.
They forbid at the national level an establishment of one brand of denomination over another. They were not opposed to having this nation be regarded as Christian in morals and traditions.
Go read George Washington's Farewell Address. He repeated what the NW Ordinance stated, and that religion and morality are essential to a good republic and its laws.
Brilliant, Brilliant, Brilliant! Always a great piece and a great conversation at CBW.
Cynical Negro: You are cynical because you want to be cynical. The evidence is there, you simply chose to be one of those who interprets in an anti-Biblical fashion and thats OK.
Professor Steven L. McKenzie, in his book: King David: A Biography. Oxford, New York: Oxford University Press, 2000.
States:
“Archaeologists have sometimes said that the evidence would force them to invent the figures of David and Solomon if the Bible did not give their names.”
He also says in this well received book:
"Archaeology has not yet proved David’s historical existence. But it has not disproved it either. The evidence is interpreted differently by different people. The assumption that David was a real person remains a viable and defensible one. The references to his name in inscriptions add some weight to this assumption, as do the “Solomonic” cities "
As I stated to a Muslim fellow that I am engaged in conversation with. The Bible has been a constant companion with archeologists both secular and believing for centuries now because it has proven to be a reliable source of history. Every scientist of the ancient world interprets evidence according to there personal Bias.
You don't like or believe the Bible so that is your perspective when examining the evidence.
There are two kinds of people on the earth, those who believe in the revelation found in the Bible, for what ever reason be it bias or perceived evidence. And those who do believe for whatever reason be it bias or perceived evidence. We all make that choice.
Commies have cooked the books and invented global warming. It does not exist; never has. thank you, Lord.
The same Commies want to own the rest of what you have. The Federal reserve are foreign bankers, hello. they print money anytime they feel like it.
I believe in God and his footstool is earth.
If I don't believe in God, I could talk all day and say nothing at all.
The richest nation on earth and commies are near taking her down. They are in washington doing whatever they feel like doing to promote the destruction of america, in case you haven't figured it out yet.
No republican or demoncrat interests me whatsoever. The private sector, us, have been footing the bill all these years thus far. wow. and so much wasteful spending to boot. There's no reason why we can't take medi-care away from gov't and do it justice for senior citizens first and expand it from there.
It hasn't been working because of fraud as usual and as usual, gov't unaccountability. Gov't can't do what you can do right where you are.
Gov't is in your house; that is called Communism.
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