I readily admit that my thinking is not clear when it comes to Historically Black Colleges & Universities. I actually feel terribly guilty about the fact that I feel they are obsolete, their admission standard are too low and I am utterly heartbroken that my daughter has decided to attend one. Now before you all start beating me up...save your wrath because I am beating myself up about it. But, hey at least I'm honest about it and I have four years to work through my angst...I guess. Unless she transfers (one can only hope).
On the heels of destroying the DC voucher program, the Obama administration is now reportedly planning to cut $85 million of federal dollar which HBCU's have relied on since 2007. The White House notes, however, that HBCUs would benefit in the long run from other direct government funding, which would mean a hike of about $12 million – raising the amount of federal dollars to $250 million. But, as Black-college leaders point out, the cessation of the specific fund would mean a $73 million reduction. Here is the kicker, which really illustrates Barack Obama's incredible hubris or stupidity I'm not sure which but,"Obama contends that under his education plan, Black colleges would be able to better serve Black students because of a $200increase in the maximum Pell Grant – taking the total allowance to $5,550...." On second thought Obama just thinks black folks are stupid. Well, I guess 96% of us are --that is the 96% of ya'll that voted for his monkey azz.
Hey Kanye, judging from this it isn't President Bush who DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE, is it? It's America's first Black President in the person of Barack Obama who doesn't appear to give a tinker's damn about black people and in approximately 114 days has managed to inflict harm on black children TWICE.
I hope this opens up the eyes of the blind. Neither the democrat party, liberals, or Barack Obama give two shades left of a good G**damn about black people. It's all about power for politicians-- the acquistion and perservation of power. Black folks have it twisted and until we stop expecting politicians to "care" about us and seeing ourselves as some sort of inferior beings who need to be coddled then they will continue to take our votes for granted. I get so angry when I hear grown men complain that Republicans don't cares about us . Why should anyone care about us when we consistently make uninformed decisions based solely on whether or not someone is Black or White, Democrat or Republican? Aren't we really telling the world that we don't care about ourselves? So why should someone care more for you than you care for yourself? How many Democrats will it take to poop (like Obama has done -- TWICE) on us to prove that they are just USING US?
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1 – 200 of 207 Newer› Newest»Thanks for pointing this out, I did not read about this anywhere. I did read about his cutting the DC voucher program.
Sadly, until blacks stop viewing everything through the prism of racism, they will continue to make the mistake of voting solely for Democrats.
Keep talking CBW. You are hitting it home. Today we still hear blacks talking about the man holding them down. I think some times, where was the man when I was going to school, he did not show up then. It's about us taking responsibility for our own lives and futures and depending on God not man to see us through. I just can not believe that so many blacks are so far behind in their thinking. But keep it up with intelligent people like you and Ron B and Clifton and Adrienne, and Dena, and so many more. Things will change.
[quote]I actually feel terribly guilty about the fact that I feel they are obsolete, their admission standard are too low and I am utterly heartbroken that my daughter has decided to attend one[/quote]
CBW:
You should have no worries about the HBCU that your daughter has chosen. The INSTITUTION is sound and has the most money of them all.
I would be more concerned about the highly leftist environment that she will be exposed to. And, as I told you before, please don't let her stray unaccompanied too far into the part of US Rep John Lewis' district named "Vine City". The corner of Joseph E Lowery and Joseph E Boone is the most deadly block in Atlanta, according to a recent report. The fact that both of these men named on the street are Civil Rights Leaders means NOTHING to the Domestic Pirates don't the killing of Black people.
Thus, CBW the obsolete status of many HBCUs is from their own making. Where as the HBCU and the elements within the King Compound about 10 blocks away were defined in their stance on BEHALF OF THE INTERESTS OF BLACK PEOPLE, today's climate which has the behavior of our long time adversaries regulated has rendered these forces obsolete.
They have failed to make note of the new threat that is around them. The students at the AUC Center were motivated to hop on a bus and travel 8 hours to Jena LA all the while a report that very week detailed the higher than average assaults and robberies that took place on their extended campus. Since there was no 'prime target' to protest against, Domestic Pirates don't make good targets for media exploitation, the issue of these assaults have become background noise.
Morris Brown University sits idle. The buildings are still there but the PURPOSE for it and so many other HBCUs has been lost once the system racism that motivated their creation was put in check by law. (Please note - UptonSteve is betting on a Klan resurgence which will return them as the main killers of Blacks, taking the title away from the Domestic Pirates. He might disagree that times have changed)
Well, I'm not black, but if you remember, neither is BO. He just went on that bandwagon to get the presidency! He doesn't care about either you, or the rest of us.
I didn't vote for him either, but a lot of whites did. I wonder if they have opened their eyes yet?
LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES,LIES, LIES
It was Bush's 2008 budget which slashed the $85 million increase to HBCU's.
http://www.blackwebportal.com/wire/DA.cfm?ArticleID=3463
"President Barack Obama's education budget, unveiled Thursday, included major spending increases in many areas — but didn't include an extra $85 million that black institutions have received annually for the past two years thanks to a 2007 change to the student loan laws.
That two-year-old program provided direct funds to federally recognized HBCUs — historically black colleges and universities.
Other direct federal support to the schools would increase from $238 million to $250 million, but with the expiration of the HBCU fund the schools effectively would see a $73 million cut."
UTS~You are soooooo invested in this administration aren't you?
Why are you talking about BUSH's 2008 BUDGET CUTS and it's 2009? I think I heard somewhere that voting for McCain would be another vote for Bush....well, you boy seems to be Bush the sequel. Get a grip.
Lastly, I never delete comments but your comments but I have to tell you that your last comment to Linda was hitting below the belt Steve. Come on you are a better person than that.
CBW
I too questioned my youngest choice to attend an HBCU this fall. I do think that they still have value but the reason for their founding has passed.
UTS
So Obama won an election. As President, and as he has stated "I Won", couldn't he have easily put the funding back in if Bush cut it out. He is the President. Don't give me the president does not write spending bills, he can make a call to the Dems in congress to make an amendment to any spending bill. They have the votes and control. So linear logic stands on what CBW wrote. He too agreed to cut spending on HBCU's.
"Lastly, I never delete comments but your comments but I have to tell you that your last comment to Linda was hitting below the belt Steve. Come on you are a better person than that."
Always rushing to massa and missy's defense, eh CBW.
I notice that you had no problem with that racist filth from "Conservativellikenoother".
"I just can not believe that so many blacks are so far behind in their thinking."
I wish he was standing in front of me when he said that.
"I too questioned my youngest choice to attend an HBCU this fall. I do think that they still have value but the reason for their founding has passed."
Do you have a problem with Catholic Universities?
If not why not?
Do any of you coonservatives know that HCBU's never discriminated against other races and are often more integrated at both the staff and student body level than most state schools?
Your self-hatred is very depressing.
Linda~You don't owe me an apology.
UTS~You can say what you'd like. I think what you said was too vile. Your attacks toward me and other black conservatives are vile as well but based on you contempt for our ideological position. Your attack on Linda was PERSONAL. You saw a picture of a white woman with grey hair and assumed she was toothless. That was motivated by sheer meaness UTS. So, yes I deleted your comment and if you would like to think that I came to the defense of "Ms. Ann" or whatever racist crap you said then fine.
Further UTS, when you start attacking my physical characteristics then I delete those comments too. That doesn't sit well with WOMEN of any age of color.
But your attacks on black liberals are justified, eh?
Us 96% are blithering idiots and you 4% who align yourselves with white rightwingers who wouldn't even eat at the same table with you are the only ones who get it?
You black conservatives actually wonder why you're viewed such disdain by your own people.
To me it's so obvious.
UTS,
Do any of you coonservatives know that HCBU's never discriminated against other races and are often more integrated at both the staff and student body level than most state schools?
The guy standing in the door at the University of Alabama to prevent blacks from attending was none other than George Wallace, a Democrat. Tell me where his compassion was. Made this statement as well, “In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."
Gotta love them democrats that profess their historic love of blacks.
Awww will you quit with this weak crap?
We're not talking about 40 years ago but the parties TO-FRIGGIN-DAY.
The Republican Party became the white southern party after 1968 due to Goldwater's opposition to Civil Rights, LBJ's support of it, and Nixon's Southern Strategy.
Today the Democratic party boasts thousands of black elected officials, mayors, Governors and the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
And the elected black Republican is who?????
You black conservatives can't even count on white conservatives to support you even though you are constantly expressing your undying love for them.
It's pathetic.
@CBW:
You let Linda write this: "I do know that when my kids wanted to go to college, they didn't get the scholarships because they are middle-class white boys. They didn't have any of the 'markers' of the underprivileged, minority people of America, so they did what most of us have had to do...they worked for their education!"
As to suggest Black people who go to college DON'T WORK FOR THEIR EDUCATION?
How you let that slide, any Blac peopl ehere have to NOT work for their education? I got student loans still from my time at U of I Chicago and am paying my own way for my Masters? Anybody here get a free check for being black to go to school?
CBW is not going to confront a white racist DJBA.
You know that.
I friggin went to school partime for 6 years while in the military and working a civilian job.
But that's the mindset of the white racist.
Blacks are always getiing something for nothing or taking something from white folks.
And the black conservative grins broadly all the while.
Well, CBW, I think I've stirred up a hornet's nest. I am sorry about that.
I went back and looked at the different people who have commented, and I think all of them but me, are black. I don't know about UTS, because he doesn't post his profile.
I will still read you blog, but I will stay in the background, because a white can't be unbiased, I guess.
As an afterthought, we all have to live in the time the Lord put us in, and we have to do the best with what we have. I never said that because you were black, things were handed to you on a platter. It's just that we all have to play the cards we are dealt, and do the best we can. Let's not fill our hearts with hate and prejudice.
UTS~"Us 96% are blithering idiots and you 4% who align yourselves with white rightwingers who wouldn't even eat at the same table with you are the only ones who get it?"Well, actually I know at least 2 black conservatives who did vote for Barack Obama. Yes, I think that in order to cast a vote for Barack Obama one would have to be afflicted with one of the following conditions:
1)You are uninformed.
2)You are informed,and you have a radical left wing ideology and you think America stinks.
3)You are informed and do not have a left-wing ideology but you were elated that a black man had a real shot at the Presidency and didn't want to find yourself on the wrong side of history.
and in my humble opinion the only category that I am really pissed off with:
4)You are an informed professed Christian but decided to throw Jesus under the bus because you so desperately wanted a Black president.
I am now convinced UTS that you don't read my posts at all. Did you not read the part where I said:
It's all about power for politicians-- the acquistion and perservation of power. POLITICIANS, UTS of both parties. Lastly, I don't need white Democrats or Republicans to break bread with me, care about me, or even like me. It is not some politician's job to care about me and "look out" for me...that's MY HUSBAND'S JOB. It is me and my husband's job to provide housing, food, shelter and yes even tuition for our daughter. Don't get me twisted I am not mad about the federal cuts, I'm mad that BLACK PEOPLE expect politicians to look out for them. It's dumb and we will continually be disappointed if we look to the government to care for our needs.
Finally, indicting the 96% of black folks for voting for Barack Obama is not a personal insult...and it's the TRUTH. 96% of black people voted for him. Would it be great if 96% of black fathers would marry the women they impregnate. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black parents would demand that their children excelled in school. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black folks ended up in the
90th percentile on standardized tests? Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black folks made sure that their children conjugate their verbs properly. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black bloggers had more to talk about than how rotten the Bush administration was and how America is such and racist place to live? Wouldn't that be something UTS?
@Linda:
"I will still read you blog, but I will stay in the background, because a white can't be unbiased, I guess."
I didn't say you were unbiased, I just wanted to know about your statement. I served honarably in the Marine Corps and the Air Force, got the GI Bill, worked through school and am paying my way through now.
I wasn't trying to be mean, but your statement seemed to suggest that somehow because I am a minority somebody is giving me or us a free ride through school via some handout or something? Feel free to correct me if I was wrong in how I took you statement.
@CBW:
"I'm mad that BLACK PEOPLE expect politicians to look out for them. It's dumb and we will continually be disappointed if we look to the government to care for our needs."
Huh? Excuse me, I don't know about you, but I pay TAXES so that they can provide some services, I demand accountability for how they spend my money and expect something from the money I pay in to the system, why SHOULDN'T I?
DJBA~"As to suggest Black people who go to college DON'T WORK FOR THEIR EDUCATION?"Linda said...."so they did what most of us have had to do...they worked for their education!"
Now I read that and naturally assumed that she was talking about people. Not white people. Good grief. I am really surprised at how racially sensitive you guys are.
It must be hard to walk through life with that kind of yolk around your neck. Ya'll can have it. Call me what you want but I'll see the best in people until they show me otherwise -- except if their democrats then I'll expect them to be racist (lol, I'm just kidding, kind of)
I meant to write except if they're -- not their...I had to correct that before JudyBright does...lol.
Linda~Please feel free to leave comments here. Hornet's nests are stirred up daily, it wasn't you. Whether or not you left a comment UTS would find away to accuse black conservatives of self-hatred.
DJBA~"Huh? Excuse me, I don't know about you, but I pay TAXES so that they can provide some services, I demand accountability for how they spend my money and expect something from the money I pay in to the system, why SHOULDN'T I?"
Yes, we do pay taxes for the provision of services for public utility such as roads, fire, emergency, health and safety. But answer me this, how is it that the Democrats who are in positions of power in black communities-- all of them bar none. Still have the same complaints year after year, election season after election season if the democrat officials are being held to account? Likewise, how is it that communities where Republicans are in power those problems don't seem to exist? It would seem to me that the logical conclusion would be if schools, hospitals, crime, police departements etc etc. all the things you hear those things I have heard the black community complain about for the last 30 years aren't change under a democratic regime that it's time to switch it up....just saying.
"Now I read that and naturally assumed that she was talking about people. Not white people. Good grief. I am really surprised at how racially sensitive you guys are."
OMIGOD, how blind can you be??????
This is what she said CBW....
"I do know that when my kids wanted to go to college, they didn't get the scholarships because they are middle-class white boys. They didn't have any of the 'markers' of the underprivileged, minority people of America, so they did what most of us have had to do...they worked for their education!"
Now try AGAIN to spin it as "non-racist".
DJBA~"CBW, produce one statement from me that would suggest that I think America stinks."
As much as I like you I don't think you are in that category....I think you know where I think you are....but can we not have that fight again today?
"Likewise, how is it that communities where Republicans are in power those problems don't seem to exist?"
You're bordering on total lunacy now CBW.
First off every black community is not a ghetto.
Most black people are working to middle class.
Secondly, why are the poorest and most backwards states and regions in the country Republican????
Poorest 10:
40. South Dakota (Red state)
41. South Carolina (Red state)
42. Tennessee (Red state)
43. Oklahoma (Red state)
44. New Mexico (Blue state)
45. Louisiana (Red state)
46. Alabama (Red state)
47. Kentucky (Red state)
48. Arkansas (Red state)
49. West Virginia (Red state)
50. Mississippi (Red state)
@CBW:
"Now I read that and naturally assumed that she was talking about people. Not white people. Good grief. I am really surprised at how racially sensitive you guys are."
I am surprised of how racially insensitive you are, especially seeing as you are a BLACK woman. You act like I or anyone is making it up that White people especially those on YOUR side of the fence have stated such ridiculousness.
While I was in Bible College I had a White Evangelical Christian Right Winger actually say that Blacks got to go to school for free, after I asked her to PRODUCE the "Black Folks go to school Free scholarship" so I could use IT instead of my money and student loans, gave her a week. At the end of that week she apologized to me and the class.
So again, I guess you have never had to deal with such surprisingly foreign concepts regarding race. Unfortunate, you lack of experience in such things or lack of being able to comprehend is why people like me completely write off the “conservatives”, no matter how conservative I actually am, I can’t side with or identify with people that deny my actuality.
UTS~""I do know that when my kids wanted to go to college, they didn't get the scholarships because they are middle-class white boys. They didn't have any of the 'markers' of the underprivileged, minority people of America, so they did what most of us have had to do...they worked for their education!"
Now try AGAIN to spin it as "non-racist".What's racist about that? Her sons are obviously white, they are middle-class what federal program is available for the white middle-class. How do you think middle-class white and black people pay for college? Don't you have to PAY your son's tuition? If not, then you prove Linda's point because I have been able to deduce from our exchanges that you live in a rather wealthy county of Maryland and that you hold a white-collar professional job, and you own a business (I'm assume to off-set taxes from you high paying job) so I'm thinking it's safe to say you are middle-class and if your kids received federal money then how is that not an advantage that you have over Linda and her husband?
UTS~I'm not talking states. I'm talking counties, communities. I didn't say that all black communities are "ghettos". I said all black communities have democrat politicians representing them and yet things are still unfavorable for them at least if you listen to the evening news.
@CBW:
What part of this do you not get the inference and implication of, serious?
"They didn't have any of the 'markers' of the underprivileged, minority people of America, so they did what most of us have had to do...they worked for their education!"
THEY (the white children she had) didn't have an "markers of underprivialaged minority people" (that would have been ME sinceI grew up broke as a joke and a minority, yet somehow went to college with granst, loans and the GI Bill? Going on to say that her children had to "work" for their education, by mutual implication the: "underprivialaged minority people" must NOT have.
This is basic syntax here, tell me how you DON'T see thta?
"Her sons are obviously white, they are middle-class what federal program is available for the white middle-class."
WHAT FEDERAL PROGRAMS ARE EXCLUSIVELY FOR BLACKS??????????
@CBW:
"WHAT FEDERAL PROGRAMS ARE EXCLUSIVELY FOR BLACKS??????????"
Exactly. Why come conservatives act like programs to help the poor are specifically for Black People?
Well the $85 million of federal dollar which HBCU's have relied on since 2007 were exclusively for "minorities"...and I'm thinking that Linda's sons wouldn't have qualified for that.
Sorry DJBA Linda's "syntax" didn't say to me that "blacks go to school for free but white people have to work" it read to me my son's are white and middleclass so our only option was for my husband & I to pay or for them to work their way through. Sorry, but that's the situation I'd be faced with if my daughter were not a Nat'l Merit Scholar--but she still doesn't get a free ride. We have to make up the difference or she has to get loans and/or work.
"Well the $85 million of federal dollar which HBCU's have relied on since 2007 were exclusively for "minorities"...and I'm thinking that Linda's sons wouldn't have qualified for that."
This is pretty damn pathetic and coming from a black woman it's especially repulsive.
First HBCU's never discrimnated against whites so if Linda's sons had attended one they WOULD have been beneficiaries.
CBW, hundreds of American colleges and most state colleges receive federal funding.
Here's a "how to guide" for colleges to secure and/or keep federal funding.
Wow, I'm really starting to see a different side of you now.
http://www.aiseducation.com/GRA_product.html
UTS~"CBW, hundreds of American colleges and most state colleges receive federal funding"WHERE AND WHEN DID I SAY THEY DIDN'T?
You write~"This is pretty damn pathetic and coming from a black woman it's especially repulsive".Really, why is that..because I said that white students would most probably not be the recipents of $85 million of federal funds previously earmarked for HBCU's? That's repulsive? Silly me, white folks are breaking the doors down to attend black colleges...What was I thinking?
Linda is middle-class, you are middle-class, DJBA is middle-class the reality is NONE of our children would have received those federal dollars because at least at the school my daughter is attending goes first to those who have a FINANCIAL NEED. For the record, I have a financial need but their are students who don't have two working parents to help foot the bill and the schools ALL OF THEM consider that.
I did again...I meant to say "I have a financial need but there are students who don't have two working parents to help foot the bill and the schools ALL OF THEM consider that.
This is gettin' just slap-ugly...but someone asked for this...might have been UTS:
Google Search -.
federal education program college "african american".
Just a few off the first results-page.
http://www.gocollege.com/financial-aid/scholarships/minority/african-american-scholarships.html
http://www.free-4u.com/african.htm
*plus one pull on the scroll-wheel*.
http://www.usajobs.gov/EI-13.asp
Ctrl-F for “Selection preference is given”.
Google search –.
federal education program college "white students".
...you get a bunch of articles about graduation disparity with African-American students.
- MuscleDaddy
...and just so I can get my quota of personal insults from UTS...
"HBCU's never discrimnated against whites so if Linda's sons had attended one they WOULD have been beneficiaries".
True as far as it goes, but...
When I was in college my significant-other (black & Panamanian) had a friend @ FAMU that we went to visit.
Now, in much the same way that 'Nita was primarily 'Hispanic', but you couldn't tell that until she said something - I tend physically toward the Russian-half of my heritage, rather than the Cuban half.
The 'school' wouldn't have discriminated against me, but the students made it very clear that I would not have been welcome among them - and especially not while holding her hand.
As an aside, they also called her a 'sellout' upon learning that she didn't go to an HBCU - at least until she started cursing them in her 1st-language-Panamanian-Spanish, at which point they weren't sure what was going on anymore.
(Cue UTS' reply of "LIAR!!" in 3,...2,...1) - MD
MuscleDaddy,
You're not suggesting that white kids aren't eligible for Pell Grants, scholarships, hardship aid, GI Bill and other financial assistance, are you?
'Black folks have it twisted and until we stop expecting politicians to "care" about us and seeing ourselves as some sort of inferior beings who need to be coddled then they will continue to take our votes for granted.'
Amen, CBW!!
And you are right-- why do black folks expect everyone to show concern for us when we don't show concern for ourselves?
@CBW:
"Linda is middle-class, you are middle-class, DJBA is middle-class the reality is NONE of our children would have received those federal dollars because at least at the school my daughter is attending goes first to those who have a FINANCIAL NEED. For the record, I have a financial need but their are students who don't have two working parents to help foot the bill and the schools ALL OF THEM consider that."
So POOR WHITE PEOPLE CAN'T GET FEDERAL AID?
@Muscledaddy:
"The 'school' wouldn't have discriminated against me, but the students made it very clear that I would not have been welcome among them - and especially not while holding her hand."
You are truly an idiot. How is this any differnt than a host of experiences that Blacks or even Jews have had at predominately White Schools, or schools like Bob Jones Univiersity who wouldn't allow you to date a person of another "race"? And I would bet it is less common at HBCU's than other places.
I'm sorry, I'm going to have to let Uptown deal with you, because I am a Marine, and eventually this can only end up one way...a match up and a smoker ( I am trying to be a peaceful man).
DJBA
He's a total buffoon.
Not even worth responding to.
Wow, it is really true.
The new plantation is indeed the Democrat Party.
A bunch of black folks so blind and trusting of a party, they don't even realize that they are being led by puppet-strings much like their President.
All I can do is shake my head at the foolishness.
CBW:
You must be playing. She didnt say: "poor people" cath a break, she said MINOIRITES. Now unless she was saying that the poor are only minorities, why single out minorities as opposed to just saying POOR or UNDERPRIVILAGED? You have to be joking if you can't see that....
God bless you for dealing with them CBW.
There is no such thing as a decent debate when the uninformed such as the ones on here have nothing but name-calling and insults as their arguments.
You know, I think I am going to have to do what I did when dealing with Left wing nuts over at Randy Rhodes, the right wingers here have left the realm of the silly and have ventured into the realm of the clinically insane....
CBW
What scholarships are available to folks for merely being black?
I'm serious.
I'm already paying out my azz for oldest son at GWU and if there is a "black scholarship" available to any and all blacks I'm damn sure gonna get one for my youngest son.
Katrina,
If you don't want to be insulted don't post stupid shyt.
@Uptown:
I feel you, somebody give me a link to the "You are Black here is some money for school FEDERAL fund"...I got four kids, I can use it!
Katrina,
Can you explain why you, a black person, trust the Republicans?
Watch, she won't answer.
UTS & DJBA~"What scholarships are available to folks for merely being black?"
I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said that there were any. I thought the question was "what federal programs are exclusive to blacks only?" and I've dealt with that.
Now I really am done. Peace out.
Je-SUS CBW are you drunk today?
"I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said that there were any (black or minority scholarships).
You did say this.........
"She said her sons didn't qualify for aid because she was middle-class and not a minority."
So evidently merely being a minority qualifies you for federal money, right?
@CBW:
So, basically, you are going to act like me and Steve are 'trippin" about race, I honestly thought Steve was exaggerating about Black Conservatives, but if all can't see the obvious, I am just utterly amazed.
I lied, I guess I'm not done...
UTS~Show me the part where Linda said.."No, she's a racist for suggesting that as "minorities" we get things that we don't deserve
Further, is it untrue that minorities and those who are not middle-classget financial assistance based on need? If so, then Linda's premise is accurate. It is indeed your own "bias" or self-loathing or both that read into her comments what she did not state.
@Uptown:
Man, we are the ones trippin. Everybody knows that all you need to be is a minority AND poor, white poor kids don't wualify. Thats why when you and I were poor and broke, we had to join the military, work jobs and get student loans....we should have took that FREE Money....
@CBW:
My God, You all are seriously amazing me. Had she said poor people without minorities in her statement I would have said nothing, she qualifed her statement not me or Steve, she owns it.
Heck I apologized to Linda for being snarky, but not for wanting her to clarify what she meant, further, I am truly disappointed that no racist statements seem to be able to make your radar. What, the next Neo-Nazi march are you going to say that they are just a youth group?
She just won't quit.
"Further, is it untrue that minorities and those who are not middle-classget financial assistance based on need?"
Show me where I can find the "black" financial aid CBW.
PLEASE.
I could use it.
UTS~ No you are drunk because you could answer your own question if you just read what YOU wrote:
"She said her sons didn't qualify for aid because she was middle-class and not a minority."Yet you ask:"So evidently merely being a minority qualifies you for federal money, right?Linda said she did not have any markers of"underprivledged" minorities. So clearly she is not saying that merely being a minority qualifies you for federal money.
@Uptown:
To Quote Mr. BustaRhymes: "Oy My God, yes OH MY GOD!"
CBW, did you write ""Further, is it untrue that minorities and those who are not middle-classget financial assistance based on need?"
Let me back that up. "Is it UNTRUE that MINORITIES AND (not people who are poor and minorities, but MINORITES and those who are not middle-classed"
CBW, I am going to give you benefit of the doubt, tell me you mistyped?
@CBW:
"Linda said she did not have any markers of"underprivledged" minorities. So clearly she is not saying that merely being a minority qualifies you for federal money."
No she clearly was not, that is why I asked her to clarify that statement.
Had she just said "underpivilaged" nothing would I have said, when she included "minority" as a qualifier, that's where she AND NOW YOU are wrong.
The POOR get help regardless of race when it comes to Federal Student Financial Aid.
I believe the only minorities that get speciifc federal funding for school are INDIANS / Native Americans, and they damn well should.
UTS,.
"You're not suggesting that white kids aren't...".
Nope. Nothing of the sort - you asked for federal programs singled out for African-Americans, so I gave you some - nothing more.
DJBA,.
1) Not disputing "Italian Americans" - if UTS had asked for that, I'd have gone for that.
I can't help it if you assign more 'reply' to my reply than I've actually replied with.
2) "How is this any differnt than a host of experiences that Blacks or ...".
It's not - so?
The point was that while UTS is technically right about "The School" not descriminating/keeping-the-light-skinned-out, there's more to it than that.
What, because it's happened to someone 'darker' or 'more-minority' than me before, that means it's okay for it to happen to me now?
3) "and eventually this can only end up one way...a match up and a smoker".
You don't know the first thing about me, Air Force.
You want to stick to misrepresentation and insults - you want to move on to threats, you just bring it if you think you got it like that.
Here's my contact -let's set something up if you're ready to go:
muscledaddyUNDERSCORE1ATyahooDOTcom
UTS,.
"Show me where I can find the "black" financial aid CBW.
PLEASE.
I could use it".
Already did - you were apparently too busy name-calling to read any of it.
It's there - whose fault is it if you're not using it?
- MD
UTS~You are slow today. I asked you if it's untrue whether minorities and those who are not middleclass receive financial aid based on need. So I'll try and translate that for you....minorities that means people who are not white; not middle-class that means poor (because clearly the affluent would not need financial aid). To ask me to finding you "black" financial aid is ridiculous because I have not said there was any such thing. I am saying that people with financial needs receive financial aid I don't know if it's federal of straight from the coffers of the college or universities endowment fund but many in my family WHO ARE BLACK have received financial aid. That is not to say that they didn't work, or get loans in addition to the funds they received from their schools.
Muscledaddy:
Like I said, I am a peacful man, but my phone number is 312-235-6863 and if you think you can hang we can go over to my firend Miguel Torres's Gym over in Hammond, IN on Indianapolis Blvd., put on the gloves and I can show an Air Force vet how the Marines hold it down.
Whenever you feel the need.
DJBA,.
Yah - "Peaceful Man" talkin' shit about 'match-up and smoker' - you were talkin' "gloves" then?.
You might want to write that one down so you can remember it later.
I'll be in Chicago this summer - your number's going into my cell, Air Force.
"I can show an Air Force vet how the Marines hold it down."What does that mean - one side of your mouth is gonna show the other side how it's done?
11B, son - Hoo-Ah.
Had to move on to threats - too bad.
- MD
"Show me where I can find the "black" financial aid CBW.
PLEASE.
I could use it".
You pathetic clown.
Corporate and private scholarships are available to every friggin group on earth.
Italian Scholarships
http://www.nextstudent.com/directory-of-scholarships/ethnic/0017/ethnic-Italian-scholarships.aspx
Jewish Scholarships
http://college-financial-aid.suite101.com/article.cfm/scholarships_for_jewish_students
Polish Scholarships
http://www.nextstudent.com/directory-of-scholarships/ethnic/0025/ethnic-Polish-scholarships.aspx
Hispanic Scholarships
http://www.hsf.net/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=ID&ItemID=72
And with the African American scholarships, you just can't walk through the door and say "I'm black, gimme some money".
The candidates must meet certain academic standards, GPA levels and often must be matriculating in a certain discipline.
Your mother know you go out in public this stupid?
On the first page of the Minority Grant College Programs website
Find Free Money for Your Higher Education
"The good news is that nearly everyone fits into a minority category in one way or another.
The point is that at some time all types of students require a financial leg-up in the face of adversity."
@Muscle Daddy:
"Yah - "Peaceful Man" talkin' shit about 'match-up and smoker' - you were talkin' "gloves" then?."
When I Anderson Silva you, I don't want to catch a lawsuit, you know how you rightwingers are.
Oh you got jokes because I have THREE DD214 Honorbale discharges, Two from the Corps one from the Air force huh.
Son, Once a Marine Always a MARINE, And all Marines are 0311, Blood makes the grass grown, basic rifleman, its the OTHER MOS that you might want to know before you step in the ring. After I sit you down, I'll even buy you a meal so you don't feel so bad, get you som Chicago Style pizza from Gino's EAst.
Of course I'll use whats leftover of my FREE School money to buy that pizza...
May 12, 2009
DJBA,.
"don't want to catch a lawsuit, you know how you rightwingers are".
I, on the other hand, will have to worry about you calling down the government to handle the aftermath for you (taxes-for-services and all that).
"Son, Once a Marine Always a MARINE".
Your mouth to Jack Murtha's ears.
- Good enough: Winner Buys (I'll start saving now).
...And would someone please explain to UTS that he's making arguments on points I started out agreeing to?
No shit, man - no wonder you can't get any of that money that requires you to "must meet certain academic standards, GPA levels"...
Your reading comprehension SUCKS.
- MD
How come it is always racist if a white person or a conservative says something but if uts or djba say the same thing basically it isn't. I have been following your blog CBW and you are very intelligent about what you say and how you say it.
What really gets me is on a message board that I was on a while back (it was basically loaded with black people, very few whites, and a few others) If you would say anything against Pres. Obama they automatically assumed you were white and a racist. And they would bring up the 400 years that they (at least that is the way they sounded) were enslaved. But yet when you bring up the past that does not shine a good light on what they are talking about they say something like what uts said "That was 40 years ago, we are talking about today" (I do not know if that is the exact quote or not, but close enough.
I have heard more racist comments come out of uts and djba than I have heard from any of the white people that frequent your board. I may be wrong but from what I have read it seems that way to me.
@Jane:
"I have heard more racist comments come out of uts and djba"
Produce a "racist" comment from me. I'm waiting.
"How come it is always racist if a white person or a conservative says something but if uts or djba say the same thing basically it isn't."
For instance?
Watch she won't answer.
"I have heard more racist comments come out of uts and djba than I have heard from any of the white people that frequent your board."
Friggin liar.
Post ONE.
"And they would bring up the 400 years that they (at least that is the way they sounded) were enslaved."
Anybody mention anything about slavery today?
These righties are totally full of dung.
@Uptown:
You and I always talk about the "400 years of oprresion" while we sign up for that "free federal school money for Black folks" financial aid duirng our rperations meetings in our federally funded housing projects as we sell our food stamps to buy the new Air Jordans, cause of course we have no money because we are paying child support or all those kids we don't take care of as black men....insert sarcasm....
DJBA
A lot of reasonable moderates and borderline conservatives have left the Republican party.
In Pennsylvania alone over 200,000 Republicans have reregistered as Democrats.
The people who are staying in the GOP, particularly the black conservatives, are the far right loons.
They get more ridiculous and removed from reality every day.
DJBA,
pssst... 'Cadillac'...you forgot to say 'Cadillac'.
MD
@Muscledaddy:
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my rag top Caddy' and my 44 (fo' - foes')....thanks...
Jane~You are correct that more racists comments come from UTS then any white commenters. DJBA....not so much however today he was a bit "sensitive" in my humble opinion as it pertains to Jane's comment.
UTS, why do "black righties" bother you so much? I think you agree but are afraid to break loose from those "mind shackles" that have enslaved you for so long.
It's ok UTS...you can think your own thoughts...Don't be afraid...lol.
Well, this has been a fun day. I was gone for about 4 hours, and when I got home I couldn't believe all of the comments! What a diverse group of people have visited today.
Thank you, CBW, for giving us the forum to exchange ideas!
[quote]LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES,LIES, LIES
It was Bush's 2008 budget which slashed the $85 million increase to HBCU's.[/quote]
WhiteBowieSteve:
I am happy that we got you to come out of the closet and place the onus on the 2009 BUDGET as being the culprit despite you being WRONG.
I will provide you with the opportunity for a CIVICS LESSON.
Perhaps you never learned that THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES is officially responsible for the FEDERAL BUDGET.
[quote]The Federal Appropriations Pr o c e s s
The U.S. Constitution requires all government spending bills to
originate in the House of Representatives. House bills generally
respond to proposals from the Administration. The Senate then
responds to the House. The House and Senate Appropriations
Committees provide funding for authorized federal programs and
agencies and oversee the use of those funds. Each side has 13
appropriations subcommittees. The Budget Committees determine
overall discretionary spending levels for Congress, and the
Appropriations Committees determine allocations for each of the
13 subcommittees. These so-called 602(b) allocations set absolute
limits on expenditures for the subcommittees.[/quote]
UptownSteve worked so hard go get the Democrats to control Congress. Now he uses his ideological bigotry to blame the closest Republicans for the spending cuts.
[quote]
Secondly, why are the poorest and most backwards states and regions in the country Republican????[/quote]
Steve your IGNORANCE is frustrating.
1) You prefer to keep your attacks at the State level because the truth can be masked.
2) If we did a ZIPCODE or Congressional District comparison to get more granularity we'd see that your hate filled attack is actually against the Minorities who's zipcodes are the POOREST in the nation.
POOREST ZIPCODES IN AMERICA:
No Limit On Total IRS Tax returns:
http://wealth.mongabay.com/tables/100_lowest_income.html
Zipcodes with a minimum of 20,000 returns filed:
http://wealth.mongabay.com/tables/100_lowest_income-20000.html
The 16th Congressional District of New York City IS THE MOST IMPOVERISHED CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IN THE NATION per the total number of POOR PEOPLE contained within
Once again proving that STEVE should not be allowed to "Blither" in an unchecked fashion
@CBW "Finally, indicting the 96% of black folks for voting for Barack Obama is not a personal insult...and it's the TRUTH. 96% of black people voted for him. Would it be great if 96% of black fathers would marry the women they impregnate. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black parents would demand that their children excelled in school. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black folks ended up in the
90th percentile on standardized tests? Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black folks made sure that their children conjugate their verbs properly. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black bloggers had more to talk about than how rotten the Bush administration was and how America is such and racist place to live? Wouldn't that be something UTS?"
It does not appear that Uptown Steve answered your question, LOL.
I just want to let you know CBW that while some other blacks(I am black btw)may find you offensive, the truth of the matter is that you are not saying anything that they would not say themselves privately. I applaud your honesty especially about your guilt as it pertains to your daughter's decision. I don't consider myself a conservative, nor do I consider myself stupid but I do regret not obtaining more information about Obama before I voted for him. All I can say is I hope you are wrong in your assumptions about him but the more I learn the more I fear you may be right.
Anyway, I enjoy your blog. I can tell you are an extremely nice person who tries to see the good in everyone...why else would you deal with some of the characters that attack you. BTW, several months ago, I saw your comments on another blog and thought they were powerful and couldn't believe how people came against you, yet you made so much sense and didn't return that bitterness and vile contempt back on them. You slaughtered them very sweetly, it was hilarious. You really were a great representation of a Christian. Keep it up. I will keep reading although I am afraid to show my profile for fear of retribution because the bloggers on here are rough, LOL. Keep doing what you do.
CBW, you have the patience of a saint.
My daughter will be a senior at her university come august. When she was making her college choices we had a few arguments. In the end I told her, go where you like, but HBCUs are OUT. My money, MY stipulation. I was not crazy about the university she picked because it was in a large city, but it was a concession I promised to make.
Here is what I don't hear being discussed when Obama, HBCUs, and all the other black America rants come up. How black people treat each other. Towards one another we are disrespectful and downright mean-spirited. We are a painfully fractured group wracked with irrational anger.
My children are young adults well on their way towards successful lives. They have always excelled academically. We live in a suburban community of black and white families. Most of their friends are black. All of their friends have struggled academically because education was not made a priority in their households.
There has been nothing but mean-spirited drama among the black kids in our community. Long story short, both my young adult children have had their feelings hurt repeatedly because of these under-educated and insecure young people they're surrounded by.
In just 12 months my daughter will be the ONLY black person from our community to graduate college. Where as, in her freshman year she ran with the in-crowd. Nowadays, she mostly sticks to herself because she has found the drama among the black college girls to be too painful and draining. She has thanked me for putting my foot down and keeping her away from the HBCUs. Not because those schools are deficient to other colleges and universities. But because those schools are LOADED with lack-minded, leftist-thinking, self-entitled, mean-spirited, drama-seeking black youth. She now understands that I was only trying to prevent distraction from her education and future preparations.
Forget about how white people treat black people. I don't want to discuss how racism still exist. What about all the ANGRY black people that are still living like crabs in a barrel?!
Wow, this has been interesting to read!
From UTS:
"You black conservatives can't even count on white conservatives to support you even though you are constantly expressing your undying love for them."
How would YOU know UTS?! That's a pile of CRAP! I would support anyone...black, white, green or purple if they made as much sense as CBW does! Sure, I happen to be white person but it goes beyond that. Tell me what is wrong with CBW saying what she feels to be true in the black community?
UTS, your words don't speak for me so please don't assume they do!
Laurie
CBW, hang in there. I appreciate what you have to say. UTS you are out of order, this is CBW's post. You can debate her but you are wrong to dress down her followers. I almost hate to admit it since this was such an issue today, I am white. Linda you are welcome here. I have been following and commenting for several months now. This is not about race; it is about intelligent conversation and debate. That I recall the color of one's skin does not affect this at all. Except for UTS whose skin is very thin!!!
As an HBCU graduate, this better not be true.
Robin, didn't I turn our okay even though I am an HBCU graduate??
I do know that when my kids wanted to go to college, they didn't get the scholarships because they are middle-class white boys. I didn't get a scholarship because I was middle class black girl either. My parents paid for my college, and my father even went to a sub par HBCU and still managed to become successful, and in a science. Imagine, he wasn't even on a football or basketball scholarship!!!! Worry about how affirmative action benefits white women instead of how it benefits blacks. People like you are the reason AA exists. You are too dumb and/or too pompous to admit black folks go to college because some of us get good grades and work hard, sometimes even harder than our white counterparts. I had a higher SAT, ACT, and GPA that over 80% of my college, but because I am a negro I am automatically less intelligent to folks like you.
I am so tired of white folks walking around thinking us black folks get freebies all the damn time. Imagine I work, I pay taxes, and I probably have a higher IQ than you, but you still want to believe we are all less intelligent than you and just get a free pass.
How you let that slide, any Blac peopl ehere have to NOT work for their education? I got student loans still from my time at U of I Chicago and am paying my own way for my Masters? Anybody here get a free check for being black to go to school?I'm still waiting on my black girl refund check. I didn't get it when I went to college. My parents and stafford loans paid for my college and last I checked stafford loans were available to all folks.
Let's not fill our hearts with hate and prejudice.
Too late Linda you are already filled with that hatred and prejudice by assuming us blacks walked around with freebies. We are all inferior to your white middle class boys. We couldn't possibly have better grades, a higher IQ, or work ethic, only white folks and asians have that in your mind.
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2)You are informed,and you have a radical left wing ideology and you think America stinks.
I love how you can only love america if you are a conservative. Seriously that thinking pisses me the hell off. I have had people live and die for this country, even if a time when this country didn't love them back, but yet I hate this country because I don't think like you? Then you wonder why folks like me think folks like you are self hating.Prove to me you are more of a patriot than anyone else based upon being a conservative.
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Would it be great if 96% of black fathers would marry the women they impregnate. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black parents would demand that their children excelled in school. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black folks ended up in the 90th percentile on standardized tests? Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black folks made sure that their children conjugate their verbs properly. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black bloggers had more to talk about than how rotten the Bush administration was and how America is such and racist place to live?
The difference between me and you is I don't believe the majority of black folks go around hoping for handouts, like you do. My mother and father are married. My mother is an educator, my father is a former educator. He has worked in corporate america for years. They embrace education, and I sure as hell couldn't go around speaking ebonics in my house or around my family. I talk about how rotten the Bush administration was because it was ROTTEN. I have had this man serve two terms as my governor and lead my state into a budget shortfall. I have had him serve two terms as my President and seen him all but financially cripple this country, but yet because you all share the same religion in your eyes he is A-OK, and we are blithering idiots because we don't agree with what his does on a state and federal level and don't look at religion as a reason to align with him.
Not all black folks like like "Boyz In Da Hood", and I shouldn't have to tell you that, you should know better.
America is racist. The history is racist, and the same racist ideals peek through time and time again. I see it in this post with Linda's proclamations of her precious white children having to work through college like most folks and your silence on the issue.
Well the $85 million of federal dollar which HBCU's have relied on since 2007 were exclusively for "minorities"...and I'm thinking that Linda's sons wouldn't have qualified for that.
Remember HBCU's aren't exclusively black anymore. They have students of other races that attend them. They have scholarships for people of other races, including WHITES.
Name one public college that does not receive federal aid? Just one.
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The 'school' wouldn't have discriminated against me, but the students made it very clear that I would not have been welcome among them - and especially not while holding her hand.
I didn't think the students were actively involved in the recruiting and admissions process. I also find it funny you resort to the black people hate me because I look white scenario. I am married to a white man, and just because two or three people might act a damn fool, he doesn't equate that to all black folks hating him. He keeps moving on. He has been to many a predominantly black settings and has never felt unwelcome by the majority.
I grew up in predominantly white areas and went to predominantly white schools my whole life, and trust me I have felt unwelcome by some in each and every school, by white students, teachers, and administrators. It goes both ways.
I also like you have the panamanian girlfriend when means you feel the need to do the whole "look she isn't like the other negroes" stance that reeks of superiority. Giving a hierarchy of acceptable blackness. I find it funny I have never been called a sell out because I went to a "white school" by other blacks.
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Most of what I saw was private organizations and endowments How about you search: federal education program college "Italian American students".
I wasn't going to say anything, but I am glad you pointed it out. Those weren't federally funded, but oh well, if they want to believe it so be it.
Last I checked there were scholarships for Cubans, Germans, Italian, Polish, and others, but those don't count, don't you know they work hard while we sit on our asses wanting the world on silver platter.
[quote]My father's alma mater actually has scholarships for whites to increase enrollment, but there is no outrage on that.[/quote]
Siditty:
Do you know of any White people who, LOOK BEYOND the "offering" of these "White Scholarships" and maintain that STILL - since these Black schools have such a small White population there must be some Racial Prejudice in the HBCU's White Recruitment and Admissions Policies? Lets go all of the way with your argument. Certainly you are not so easily pacified.
The truth is that most White folks could CARE LESS if an HBCU turned them down, they are not interested in going there in the first place.
Why not focus on the more substantive issue as to IF these institutions will make what ever CHANGE that is necessary to keep them viable for another 100 years.
In Atlanta there is an empty dormitory with the name "(Representative) John Lewis" emblazoned on the front of it. Sadly the grass is growing between the cracks showing how underutilized and useless this building now is. Kinda like its namesake.
[quote]They like the "white" colleges want diversity too so that they can stay relevant even in these times. The problem is white folks like Linda and black folks like these want to pretend these schools are inferior. Don't you know black=inferior each and every time.[/quote]
Siditty:
Linda has NO MONOPOLY ON "Assumed Black Inferiority"!!!!
Many of the policies of the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chasers are COUCHED IN ASSUMED BLACK INFERIORITY.
Ask UptownSteve if HE supports the Black fire fighters in New Haven bending their heads down and accepting the cloak of INFERIORITY......IF it means that they will receive some BENEFIT after doing such a shuffle.
Instead of considering "Assumed Black Inferiority" make note of how it is used in CONJUNCTION with the receipt of a payoff.
Racial Dignity will come NOT FROM seeing Black lieutenants in the fire department who were put there, instead it will come by the REFUSAL to bow down when someone asks you to put on the cloak of inferiority telling Steve - MY DIGNITY is worth FAR MORE than anything that YOU CAN PAY ME - you White Liberal!!
"From UTS:
"You black conservatives can't even count on white conservatives to support you even though you are constantly expressing your undying love for them."
How would YOU know UTS?! That's a pile of CRAP! I would support anyone...black, white, green or purple if they made as much sense as CBW does! Sure, I happen to be white person but it goes beyond that. Tell me what is wrong with CBW saying what she feels to be true in the black community?
UTS, your words don't speak for me so please don't assume they do!
Laurie"
Laurie, calm down, wipe your mouth and tell me the name of the black elected Republican.
Take all the time your need.
Siddity~You write:"I am so tired of white folks walking around thinking us black folks get freebies all the damn time. Imagine I work, I pay taxes, and I probably have a higher IQ than you, but you still want to believe we are all less intelligent than you and just get a free pass"It is fascinating to me that you "liberals" read implied racism from Linda's statement. Again, I say this says more about your latent inferiority complexes then it does about what lies in the hearts of white folks.
I guess it's easier to attack a white person and make all manner of assumptions about the psyche of strangers based solely on the color of their skin than to address the fact the cut funding to HBCU.
ASTONISHING!!! The really sad part is that white folks don't give a damn about your anger and bitterness. The only persons being hurt are you and your poor children. It must be sad to perpetually nurse the wounds of America's hateful past.
@Uptown:
“You probably wouldn't have gotten nearly as upset had Linda been black.”
To quote the mighty Thor: “Mayhaps, thou speaketh verily!”.
UTS~"As I read over the posts from last night I realize that what really upsets you black conservatives is that I insulted a white woman."
I don't believe anyone was upset except me. It wasn't because she is white it's because she is a woman and you made a personal attack on her appearance. Your nasty comment to Linda wrecked of sexism, classism, age "ism" as well as racism. It had way too many "ism" in it. I guess I will have to enact a new rule no more than two "isms" per comment on this forum. You actually hit a new low with that one UTS.
I went to an HBCU you for a semester many moons ago and I can attest to the grivance and separation theology that go in these places, Oh God, there is no reason for these places to exist, except to house the terminally stupid. Heres a really funny link about a prof. who fails 90% of his students at one of these HBCU's. Lol
HBCU fires professor for failing students
Yesterday, “Poor Postdoc” left me a link to an article at Inside Higher Ed about Steven Aird, a former professor at Norfolk State University (which is an HBCU [historically black college/university]) who was fired because he failed 90% of his students.
I’m quite surprised by all the comments at Inside Higher Ed supporting Mr. Aird. They are obviously coming from people living in an ivory tower. Mr. Aird seems to me like a naïve schmuck. Of course a professor is going to get fired for failing 90% of students. Workers at every type of organization other than a university know that if they disobey the rules of the organization, they get fired. Duh!
Furthermore, the rule that you should pass 70% of the students makes perfect sense. The primary purpose of any organization is to perpetuate its own existence. Any organization’s stated primary purpose (such as educating students) is actually its secondary purpose. If every professor at the university failed 90% of his students, there would be no more university and everyone would lose their jobs. Anyone who’s surprised or outraged that the guy was fired has to be pretty clueless.
What we should be outraged about is that this “university” exists in the first place. Obviously, only a small handful of its students belong in college. Only 30% of its students graduate in six years (that’s six years, not four years), and surely a large percentage of those who do manage to graduate wouldn’t have been able to graduate at a school where the students were graded to white student standards.
Read the rest here:
http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/05/hbcu-fires-professor-for-failing-students.html
"Your nasty comment to Linda wrecked of sexism, classism, age "ism" as well as racism."
I called her a toothless inbred.
Where was the sexism or racism?
A nasty insult for sure because I didn't appreciate her bigoted remarks.
You black conservatives are real trip aren't you?
When black folks complain about racist remarks you claim we are "racism chasing".
But if a black insults a white rightwing person, you see racism everywhere!!!!!
Un-friggin-believable.
Racial Dignity will come NOT FROM seeing Black lieutenants in the fire department who were put there, instead it will come by the REFUSAL to bow down when someone asks you to put on the cloak of inferiority telling Steve - MY DIGNITY is worth FAR MORE than anything that YOU CAN PAY ME - you White Liberal!!
No where was it ever said that racial dignity came from handouts. You are assuming all blacks get where they are because of handouts and Linda by saying her boys were white and middle class assumes that they are more deserving than the many blacks that attend college, but it a "traditional" university of HBCU because those blacks got there on their skin color, rather than their work or intelligence. In the time of post-racial america it scares me that each and every time there is a question of blacks "getting a hand out" it is used as the rule and not the exception. The majority of blacks who move ahead in this country do not do so on handouts and their racial dignity is not equated to these perceived hand outs. The perception is quite the opposite, the perception is all these accomplishments made by blacks are due to handouts and nothing more, and the "magical negroes" (i.e. in your case black conservatives) are the exception and not the rule, and that the rest of us are blind sheep unable to make decisions for ourselves because we are on the opposite end, which could be further from the truth. That is why you and others come off as extremely condescending and downright rude, which is why folks like me can't be even remotely civil.
[quote]You black conservatives can't even count on white conservatives to support you even though you are constantly expressing your undying love for them."[/quote]
http://dcpropshop.com/products/props/costumes_masks/exmor/VA576-Scarecrow.jpg
Steve:
Could you send me your picture?
I am attempting to create a visual image of a "Racial Scare Crow".
You are a master builder of them so I think you should have the honor having it represented in your form.
Each year I witness more BLACK FLIGHT PROGRESSIVES departing their Progressive Enclaves to move into this REPUBLICAN DOMINATED COUNTY.
It seems that they as Black people are seeing more of their PERMANENT INTERESTS ACTUALLY DELIVERED (Safe Streets, Quality Schools, Thriving Local Economy) WHILE LIVING AMONG THEIR IDEOLOGICAL ADVERSARIES than they see them delivered in areas governed by PEOPLE THEY FAVOR IDEOLOGICALLY.
How do you rationalize this Steve?
In this REPUBLICAN COUNTY there have been 2 BLACK PEOPLE KILLED THIS YEAR!!!
Neither of them were Lynched by the Klan.
BOTH OF THEM were killed by a Domestic Pirate who came into town and ASSASSINATED the Black Man DEAD!!!
You are a sorry M........
UTS~"You have real identity issues CBW"
Really? Because I want HBCU to raise their admission standards because I have confidence that they will be able to find black children to meet those higher expectations means that I have identity issues.
Riddle me this UTS? Why do you suppose that there is such a disparity between the admission standards of Spelman and those of Emory?
Emory SAT Requirements: Reading 640-740; Math 670-760; Writing 650-740. ACT: 30-33 GPA 3.82
Spelman SAT Requirments: Reading 500-580; Math 490-570; Writing: Not considered. Act: 21-25 GPA 3.59
So you tell me UTS who thinks their students are inferior? Me or Spelman.
As a parent who poured every extra dime of my discretionary income and a huge portion of my annual salary to the education of my daughter thinking she would be able to compete academically with the best and the brightest how do you think her decision makes me feel?
[quote]Oh God, there is no reason for these places to exist, except to house the terminally stupid.[/quote]
Harbinjer - this is an overgeneralized comment from you.
There are some top notch institutions that do a fine job at educating our young people.
While I do agree that when it comes to the student body these campuses are indoctrination zones for the next generation of Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chasers - OUR ONLY HOPE is to get them to REFORM THEMSELVES into focusing in on the PRESENT THREAT to our community.
Those like Steve who are bigoted men in the form of an old man who sits in his rocking chair of his log cabin peering out the window for the first sign of an WHITE RACIST or Black Conservative helper of his - ready to FIRE BUCKSHOT into his behind as he makes a run on his property.
ALL THE WHILE Steve in his hatred do not see that the INTERNAL TERMITES ARE EATING THE HELL OUT OF HIS HOUSES SUPERSTRUCTURE and that some time soon his neck will be broken when the ROOF COLLAPSES AND SNAPS HIS HEAD BACK VIOLENTLY.
Steve's Problem IS not that he believes in the SUPREMACY of the White man who he vigilantly watches.
His problem is that he believes that the TERMITES ARE INFERIOR!!!
They don't own a single POWERFUL ENTITY as Steve is looking for. Instead they are a SWARM where each of them devouring a single flake of wood over time under the unsuspecting eyes of Steve are going IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE.
STEVE and those like him can only be PUT ASIDE........by a BLACK COMMUNITY THAT SEEKS TO LOVE THEMSELVES MORE THAN THEY HATE THEIR HISTORIC ENEMY.
STEVE IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
The problem is with the people who accept that hateful lust that Steve taps into within them. Their TEMPORARY GRATIFICATION and sense of UNITY does not endure beyond their walk home from the PROTEST RALLY where they are forced to COME BACK HOME and look at the substantial TERMITE DAMAGE.
Steve has relegated himself to the worth of the chewing gum stuck to the bottom of a minstrels SHOE.
Constructive Feedback
"Massa sho been good to me!"
"I'd rather live in a hut on Massa's property than a mansion in a black neighborhood!"
You're a clown.
"So you tell me UTS who thinks their students are inferior? Me or Spelman."
Why just cherry pick Emory CBW?
What about Georgia State, Mercer, Wesleyan, Augusta State or other Georgia colleges???
Spellman have lower admission standards than all of them???
[QUOTE]No where was it ever said that racial dignity came from handouts.[/QUOTE]
I did NOT attribute this to YOU
I made reference to an ACTIVE COURT CASE and noted how certain people's underlying ASSUMED INFERIORITY OF BLACK PEOPLE allows them to throw in the "Diversity Card" and allow THIS to be a more important criteria than the RESULTS OF AN 'ABOVE BOARD' TEST that was not found to be RACIALLY DISCRIMINATORY.
[quote]You are assuming all blacks get where they are because of handouts and Linda by saying her boys were white and middle class assumes that they are more deserving than the many blacks that attend college, but it a "traditional" university of HBCU because those blacks got there on their skin color, rather than their work or intelligence.[/quote]
I ASSUMED NOTHING OF THE SORT!!!!
If "all Blacks get handouts" then this would mean that I GOT HANDOUTS. I did not.
Again I pointed to a SPECIFIC CASE where RACE trumped RESULTS for the satisfaction of the broader claim of RACIAL DIVERSITY.
[quote]In the time of post-racial america it scares me that each and every time there is a question of blacks "getting a hand out" it is used as the rule and not the exception.[/quote]
Let us focus on the concept of "Post Racial America".
This tells me that it is in our community's BEST INTERESTS to begin to leverage the INSTITUTIONS THAT WE CONTROL and focus on ACTUALLY PRODUCING "DIRECTED OUTCOMES"!!!!
Let me factor in DJ Black Adam's libertine theories to make a point. Some Black folks make the mistake of seeking to constantly have the WILL OF THE INDIVIDUAL trump the FUNCTION that certain confinements in DIRECTING THESE FAVORED OUTCOMES.
Thus when THEY STAND IN A LAND THAT HAS BEEN FULLY CUSTOMIZED (in the way of permissiveness) they look for DUST ON THEIR HANDS.....PRIDE THEMSELVES THAT THEIR HANDS ARE CLEAN but then cast their eyes up from their own HANDS and see that the SOCIETY THEY GAVE BIRTH TO within the confines of the turf that they now control IS 100% COUNTER TO THEIR STATED BEST INTERESTS.
Ideological Bigotry prevents them from noting the DISCONNECTEDNESS of their THEORY from their GOALS and thus they are forced to EXPAND THE POLICE TAPE, perpetually blaming OUTSIDERS for the conditions of the INSTITUTIONS THAT THEY CONTROL!!!! Thus their OUTWARD FOCUS is explained.
Thus Siddity in this POST RACIAL WORLD - this DOES NOT MEAN that "someone is NOT going to dislike you because of your race" THIS WILL NEVER 'NOT' HAPPEN.
Instead the society will say - "In a world of ASSUMED EQUALS the GENERAL PUBLIC will no longer slap you down because of your race or LIFT YOU UP because of it either.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT PRIVATE PEOPLE, making PRIVATE AGREEMENTS are NOT going to discontinue the favor that they seek for their OWN KIND.
I can show you a "Quiznos" that I went to the other day that has ALL INDIANS WORKING AT IT, thus employing their own people.
I AIN'T MAD AT THEM. THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. Leave the THEORIES for Steve.
[quote] The perception is quite the opposite, the perception is all these accomplishments made by blacks are due to handouts and nothing more[/quote]
Siditty - How are these INACCURATE perceptions used by some WHITE FOLKS any different than the maniacal rantings heard by Steve and others?
BOTH GROUPS have "Race Men". This is the currency they purchase with.
Does the fact that some people say that "The only reason why Barack Obama is president is because the masses wanted a BLACK GUY" make him ANY LESS PRESIDENT?
You will NEVER NEVER NEVER reach a point were NO ONE IS HATING ON YOU.
Thus the two things you must consider are
1) The legal capacity for them to HURT YOU via violating your rights.
2) Your own consciousness in KNOWING WHO YOU ARE.
We have NEVER had more laws and these laws being ENFORCED to which the RACE of a Black person is seen as the PRIMARY BARRIER for him doing ANYTHING within this nation.
I only wait for some of you to PUT STEVE IN HIS PLACE as a "Racist Scare Crow" manufacturer.
The question is NOT "Can You Dredge up incidents of RACISM". The question is "Can you show that the person who violated the trust GOT AWAY WITH IT via the blessings of this society"?
Waiting for RACISM TO END is as folly as waiting for MURDER and RAPE to end.
[QUOTE]
, and the "magical negroes" (i.e. in your case black conservatives)[/quote]
I like that title Siditty.
PLEASE CALL ME A "MAGIC NEGRO".
For I am the subject of more conversation among the BQPFRC than are THE BLACKS WHO ACTUALLY RUN HIS INSTITUTIONS per his own choosing.
* I hear more negative talk about Clarence Thomas than I do about the long list of Black Progressive Principals that preside over failing urban schools
THE MAGIC NEGRO IS SUPERIOR!!!
* I hear more news about how Ward Connerly will SHUT DOWN BLACK BUSINESSES than I do about the Domestic Pirates that throw bricks through plate glass or drive pick up trucks through the front doors of Black Owned Businesses in the middle of the night - STEALING THEIR INVENTORY, making their insurance premiums unaffordable, threatening their employees at GUN POINT.
the MAGIC NEGRO IS SUPERIOR!!!
Siditty - IF you disagree that "The Magic Negro Is Superior" THEN the truth must be that the BQPFRC Propaganda Machine is in an UNDERDEVELOPED STATE.
They rely more on "tarring and feathering" than they do MANAGING the PROPORTIONAL THREATS to their interests and the PEOPLE THEY PUT IN POWER to do so.
WHICH ONE IT IS?
I kinda like the first option better myself.
Call me MISTER CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK when you address me next time!!!!
I skimmed the comments and I did happen to catch some rather foolish statements. Like an assumed prejudice to White students at HBCUs...
::blank stare::
and to support this claim the low number of White student enrollment is used to shape that argument and point?
Listen, politicize education all you want. Sure, make it a Liberal vs. Conservative thing. If I were you CBW, I'd just be glad that my daughter is attending college and leave it at that.
But hey I forgot, this is a new "post-racial" America. A new America where HBCUs are no longer irrelevant.
The hypocrisy of this post is that it the author is of the opinion that HBCUs are irrelevant, but yet criticize a cut in spending for said institutions.
Just be happy that your daughter is attending college. And the fact that she's attending an HBCU bodes well for her since the graduation rates for women of color are relatively higher than other institutions.
Steve - I learn more about you from your LACK OF INSIGHTFUL RESPONSE than I do from your responses.
Fear not Steve. YOU will always be more POPULAR in our community than I am.....as long as our people are bound to the Racist Scare Crows that you plant all around the Black community to scare off thoughts that MAY CHALLENGE your order.
"Fear not Steve. YOU will always be more POPULAR in our community than I am.....as long as our people are bound to the Racist Scare Crows that you plant all around the Black community to scare off thoughts that MAY CHALLENGE your order."
I live in a predominately black community with half million dollar houses, luxury cars and at least one college graduate in most of the homes.
You wish you could get where are Tom.
RIPPa:
I disagree with you.
HBCUs ARE RELEVANT......only if they tune their PURPOSE to the present needs of the African American student.
Just imagine if these HBCUs became URBAN RESEARCH INSTITUTES with a keen focus on DEVELOPING BEST PRACTICES for
* ACTUALLY MAKING urban government operated schools EDUCATE our kids in line with what we NEED THEM TO BE for our community's development
* DEVELOPING ORGANIC FINANCIAL MODELS in which the human and financial RESOURCES locked up within the Black community could be used to SUPPLANT the present focus upon GOVERNMENT AID to accomplish our PERMANENT INTEREST.
Think about it RIPPa - in THEORY - Tax Money COMES FROM THE PEOPLE. It is used to fund certain priorities.
Today we have perverted taxes into REDISTRIBUTIVE RESOURCES used to PUNISH the wealthy and purchase the favor of the poor.
Can you tell me that our community would not experience more COMPREHENSIVE and ENDURING benefit if we ordered ourselves and created INTRINSIC VALUE per the SYSTEM in place rather that seeking to PURCHASE OUR WAY into this type of development from funds that were ultimately generated by a SYSTEM that resides external to the processes WITHIN these communities?
RIPPa we now know 2 things!!!!
1) Affirmative Action will be GONE, DONE, FINISHED in 2025 per the words of Justices O'Connor and Ginesburg
2) Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will be BROKE by 2030. (This is MY ESTIMATE I don't care what the government said yesterday).
Is there a better time to BUILD AN ARK than to have this much warning that your present ship is about to crash?
(Sorry DJ Black Adam for the slight "Jesus Reference". I now am sensitive to how much this bothers you and threatens your agenda.)
WHAT GOOD IS LEADERSHIP when YOU DON'T HAVE ANY THAT IS REAL?
"Does the fact that some people say that "The only reason why Barack Obama is president is because the masses wanted a BLACK GUY" make him ANY LESS PRESIDENT?"
Who the hell said this stupid shyt?
"some people say"
The Faux-TX method of reporting.
[quote]I live in a predominately black community with half million dollar houses, luxury cars and at least one college graduate in most of the homes.
You wish you could get where are Tom[/quote]
Thank you Steve.
To EVERYONE ELSE:
When Steve happens to go into a Poor Black community that is suffering from the direct assaults of Republican malfeasance and thus he runs across a Black, UNEDUCATED Black woman who only needs an opportunity provided to her so that she and her kids might get back on her feet..................DO YOU EVER think to take the words said by STEVE about a Black man like me - who is educated and has a good job, who he HAS NO CLUE as to my financial resources - and wonder IF HE IS ABLE TO SEE THIS POOR BLACK WOMAN as his EQUAL when he tells other Blacks how UNWORTHY we are?
Well - at least that's what I thought about when I read his elitist rant.
Rippa~You write"The hypocrisy of this post is that it the author is of the opinion that HBCUs are irrelevant, but yet criticize a cut in spending for said institutions. Just be happy that your daughter is attending college. And the fact that she's attending an HBCU bodes well for her since the graduation rates for women of color are relatively higher than other institutions.Clearly you just "skimmed" the comments because I have stated that I don't have a problem with the federal cuts. The purpose of this post was to point out that Barack Obama, democrats and liberal elistist in general are hypocritical with the espousal of the concept that they "care" about black people....and that black people would do well to open their eyes to that reality and stop being suckered.
Just be happy my daughter is attending college? Huh? There isn't and has never been since her birth the even the remotest possiblility that she would not! I am proud of my daughter and I have great expectations for my daughter and there is no doubt that she will find great success in her life. That's not my issue. My issue is I want HBCUs to raise their admission standards so that there is no room for doubt about the academic rigors our children can withstand. I want my daughter to attend a school that has higher reading, writing, and math requirements for my daughter -- because she is capable of more than it seems they require of their incoming freshman.
UTS,.
I think the internet is going to have to come up with a new version of 'Godwin's Law' just for you.
"BOOOOSSHHH!!!"
Yes, Bush cut the funding - while decrying the 'soft bigotry of low expectations' (pdf-pg10).
...which would seem to put his actions in line with his words, and particularly in light of CBW's reference to academic expectations of incoming freshmen.
If someone does what they say, who are they suckering?
- MD
Conservative Black Woman - how do you manage to deal with some of your posters? They frustrate me to no end with their antics.
UptownSteve says:
[quote]
Bush cut the funding as well.Are YOU black conservatives being suckered?[/quote]
Maybe its my fault for thinking in line with certain constructs.
I don't know. When I see a charge like this from Steve I first think:
"When a 'Racist' like Bush, as commonly thought by BQPFRCs like Steve ACTS AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE.....they are doing what the Black people already assume they would do AND THUS THE BLACKS DIDN'T VOTE FOR THEM.
BUT when a "Black People's Favorite" does the SAME DAMNED THING the onus is upon the BLACK VOTER to respond.
With the assumption that the VOTER IS ULTIMATELY IN PURSUIT OF HIS OWN BEST INTERESTS rather than his IDEOLOGICAL or PARTISAN interests he is going to:
1) Wage a PROTEST against this action to "Speak Truth To POWER" as THEY SHOULD KNOW what is important to "The Blacks" since they have trolled for our votes for so long
2) Come to the conclusion that in fact, some of the issues that were marketed to them as RACIST MOTIVATIONS unique to the other guy are, in truth, DIFFICULT ECONOMIC ISSUES in which limited resources must get the biggest bang for their buck. THUS when one of their favored OPERATIVES attempts to make it a RACIAL ISSUE in the future - THEY WILL BE SHUT DOWN for attempting to use Black people.
OR
3) Make the case that such a slight is so heinous and against the BEST INTERESTS OF BLACK PEOPLE that the people who have been voicing the need for Black folks to PUSH THE DEMOCRATS TO THE PERIPHERY OF OUR RACIAL CONFIDENCE and force them to COMPETE FOR OUR FAVOR exclusively based on their willingness to deliver upon our best interests. (What a surprise - this is what I believe)
THEY should first question if GOVERNMENT DEPENDENCY on funding is a strategical mistake and then seek to adopt more organic means of supporting the notion that these are VALUABLE RESOURCES that must be kept open
OR
4) See what UptownSteve is doing to shift back over to the Republicans and continue doing it because it WORKS EVERY TIME.
UTS,.
Look, Sparky - I realize that you're not big on reading comprehension, points, or even staying-on-topic - but I'm going to try again anyway.
I'll even type slowly, so you won't have to read too fast.
If what-Bush-did was in line with what-Bush-said and he never presented himself as anything else - then how would black-conservatives be 'suckered'?
Conversely (which means: this part is different than the first part) - if your Great-Black-Hope presents himself as something different, speaking of different goals/plans/priorities, which consequently gets you to vote for him - and then, when it's time to move from 'saying' to 'doing', He turns around and instead does the same thing as Bush, then who really got suckered here?
- MD
"When a 'Racist' like Bush, as commonly thought by BQPFRCs like Steve ACTS AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE.....they are doing what the Black people already assume they would do AND THUS THE BLACKS DIDN'T VOTE FOR THEM."
But you voted for him and you're black.
What's wrong with that picture?
And of course you lying righties never tell the whole story with Obama.
"President Barack Obama's education budget, unveiled Thursday, included major spending increases in many areas — but didn't include an extra $85 million that black institutions have received annually for the past two years thanks to a 2007 change to the student loan laws.
That two-year-old program provided direct funds to federally recognized HBCUs — historically black colleges and universities.
Other direct federal support to the schools would increase from $238 million to $250 million, but with the expiration of the HBCU fund the schools effectively would see a $73 million cut."
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=articles/news/the_state_of_black_america_news/9229
"If what-Bush-did was in line with what-Bush-said and he never presented himself as anything else - then how would black-conservatives be 'suckered'?"
If Bush promised to cut funding to Black colleges as you claim and black people like you gleefully support him, you know what that makes you right?
"THEY should first question if GOVERNMENT DEPENDENCY on funding is a strategical mistake and then seek to adopt more organic means of supporting the notion that these are VALUABLE RESOURCES that must be kept open."
Shouldn't you be asking this question of Wall Street?
UTS,.
"THEY should first question if GOVERNMENT DEPENDENCY on funding is a strategical mistake and then seek to adopt more organic means of supporting the notion that these are VALUABLE RESOURCES that must be kept open."
Shouldn't you be asking this question of Wall Street?.
You're absolutely right - EVERYONE should be asking this question all across the country - instead of waiting & hoping for the Obama administration to bail-them-out-next with the another round of inflation-causing, deficit-growing tax-increasing "stimulus".
Look at that - we agree on something after all.
- MD
Ok I read through this entire comment thread and I have never read such intellectually vacant bullshit from this DownCountry Steve idiot and the idiot faux Marine DJ dude.
“You black conservatives actually wonder why you're viewed such disdain by your own people.”
I’m terrible sorry MD I wanted to provide some insightful and clever verbiage to combat the utter nit-wit-ness of these dudes but I can’t. Processing and trying to comment on mentally challenged Negro rhetoric is much harder than I thought.
First of all jackasses “conservatives” like myself actually revel in your moronic name calling because I have never had the mindset that I had to stand up and defend nigganess.
My skin is dark but I am not on your fucken team by any stretch of the imagination.
I’m a man, a human being and an American first. I never got caught up with this skin pigmentation bullshit that obviously still hangs around your neck like a slave collar today.
I find the timeless arguments of conservative black folks are sellouts and do whitey’s bidding tedious and repugnant.
Was born in LA raised in Oakland and I watched as Negros bankrupt and destroyed an entire school system. Former black hotshot Negro skank who ran the school district was stealing funds. This same ghetto ass Negro stupidity in Oakland is what prompted the call for a new Negro language “Ebonics” remember that jackass. Rampant murder, prostitution and drug violence not only destroyed industry in Oakland but destroyed the property values of some of what was some of the most expensive real estate in the country.
Pick any major American city and the story is an old one.
I love how you listed some of the “most backward” states in the country and how they are all red states totally oblivious of the fact that the black dropout out rate for negros in these states is like….er uh 75-85%. But of course evil whitey is still blocking the doors of the schools in some of those states you mentioned.
Oh and let me not forget if I was not able to get the hell out of LA I along with my older brothers would have been rotting corpses long ago, not because of whitey jackass because of idiot Negros and the rise of the gang culture there.
I re-locate to Kansas via the military, buy my first home, not long after I’m dealing with idiot niggas who are incapable of doing simple shit like mow their damn grass or control their damn kids and shortly thereafter I one of only a few homeowners am surrounded by broke ass niggas, fucking up their yards, kids running all up in my home asking for food because their mamas are out running the damn streets. Then it all catches up with up, drive by, dude shot dead face down in front of my home because niggas can’t handle their business without resulting in violence.
I raise thousands of dollars for various “black” causes but negros can’t keep their hands out of the cookie jar, and perpetually engage in the old proactive of crabs in a basket mentality.
I help raise millions of dollars to build a clinic devoted to serving the “black” community and Niggas being provided with great health care services bitch about having to pay a damn $2 co-pay for treatment because they needed to buy dem some cigs.
“First off every black community is not a ghetto.”
Pleaz like that makes a damn bit of difference. Been to Prince Georges County, Maryland, half million dollars home occupied by Niggas parking Hummers on the lawn, half million dollars home plus too many ghetto ass Negros equals the damn ghetto.
“You rightwing negroes gleefully kiss the asses of white people who hate you”
Strange ain’t it, I’ve never had a white person take shit out of my home, I have never been robbed by a white kids when I went to school, white people have never conducted a drive by in front of my home.
Have I experienced racism, no shit, been called nigger more times than I can count, been thrown in the back of a police care because the police did not believe me when I told them where I lived, been jack over job opportunities that were provided to me BY OTHER WHITE PEOPLE.
Finally no black person could ever give me a coherent answer for why the Magic Negro is this supposed savior for niggas.
The Magic Negro is one of the most contemptible politicians there is and while he is destined to destroy the country the idiot Negros who voted for him as they do any idiot Democrat will suffer the most.
Lets take Detroit for example: I hear that GM might just leave Detroit and I assume that means converting the GM building into a massive negro housing development which will then be destroyed within a year.
Feel free to troll the blogs trying to bully folks into taking your moronic drivel seriously.
CBW I don’t know how you do it, you are a better person than I.
Let me ditto this comment:
Finally, indicting the 96% of black folks for voting for Barack Obama is not a personal insult...and it's the TRUTH. 96% of black people voted for him. Would it be great if 96% of black fathers would marry the women they impregnate. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black parents would demand that their children excelled in school. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black folks ended up in the
90th percentile on standardized tests? Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black folks made sure that their children conjugate their verbs properly. Wouldn't it be nice if 96% of black bloggers had more to talk about than how rotten the Bush administration was and how America is such and racist place to live? Wouldn't that be something UTS?
Damn the truth is a bitch ain’t it and no amount of nigga bullying and ranting about federal funding for negro whatever or how racist G dub was is going to make these fact go away.
Funny thing is a lot more black folks think like I do but way too many stay silent because they worry too damn much about what other blathering idiot negros like Steve think and have this “lets not air our dirty laundry in front of whitey” mentality.
All you crazy liberal negros can kiss my black A$$!
Peace GLN
oh my,
An UBER-Tom.
@Uptown:
"oh my, An UBER-Tom."
Uber Tom is an understatement. Gaius is the Praetor of the Imperial Guard of Toms.
@Gaius:
Faux Marine? MCRD San Diego 3rd Battalion Kilo Company.
You can call me an idiot, but don't question my service to this nation.
What a circus clown, you aren't even worthy of my contempt cretin.
Find a clue before one bites you on the a$$.
I am a producer for a National Talk Show Mason Weaver Show. I need to know is it possible to get you on the show please email us at masonweaver@masonweaver.com thank you this mesage is for: Conservative Black Woman
Gaius~Two words....THANK YOU.
Wow! You got an invite to go on a talk show. Let us know if you do, and when we can listen to it.
[QUOTE]But you voted for him and you're black.[/QUOTE]
WhiteBowieSteve:
Which force has done MORE MEASURABLE DAMAGE to the pursuit of QUALITY education for Black children in the past 10 years?
1) George W Bush and the forces that he marshalled from the US Dept of Education
2) The coordinated forces that have the most direct impact
on these children on a DAILY BASIS:
a) Their parents who have the primary management responsibility for their child's education carreer
b) Their community leaders who can apply pressure regarding the patterns in their community
c) The School teachers who close the door and transfer their thoughts to the students
d) The School administration who we saw no attempts to ouster by the parents
e) The School Board who YOU VOTED FOR as the "D" after their name made them favorable to you
f) The City/County elected leadership who were favorable for the same reasons.
Please tell me why YOU FEEL NO SHAME in supporting the MACHINE that these same people who are failing our students are supporting as well?
@Josh:
I'm waiting for Hannity or Limbaugh to invite me on anyway lol
[quote]“You black conservatives actually wonder why you're viewed such disdain by your own people.”[/quote]
Steve:
I WORRY NOT about the portion of "my race" who look at me with DISDAIN.
This is because I do some calibration of their system of judgment by notice WHO THEY VIEW FAVORABLY per their lack of attack:
1) Imprisoned Felon T.I. - who was allowed on stage to campaign for a local Democratic US Senate Hopeful
2) Young Jeezy who sold drugs to Black people and yet was allowed on the same stage
3) Your friend Filled Negro right now has a poster of Convicted KILLER Tyrone Davis on his blog. Davis was FIRST CONVICTED OF SHOOTING A BLACK MAN OUTSIDE OF A PARTY. Later that night he KILLED A WHITE POLICE OFFICER in Savannah Georgia. The same bullet that was taken out of the Black guy's body matched the bullet that killed the Cop. The LEFT is pointing to the fact that many of the witnesses have now recanted their story.
THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT THE FIRST SHOOTING as they say that the government is seeking to lynch a Black man.
4) Ditto for Mumia "Killa Mu" Abu Muhammad. He admits to drawing his gun. I guess we are to believe that he was actually DEFENDING Officer Faulkner (now dead) from the attack by the "Magic Negro" who vanished in the middle of the night.
All I can say is WOW! The statements made in the blog are funny, yet sad. First, the fact that you, Conservative Black Woman, would have the nerve to denigrate your child's decision to attend an HBCU is sad and scary. You speak about Black folks being uninformed, yet you are the one that embodies that description. HBCUs produce the majority of Black graduates in this country. Also, HBCUs teach Black folks about who they were, who they are and who they can become, but I digress. You should hope that Black colleges remain relevant and solvent because the policies that persons of your political ilk have enacted over the past 30 years will render those bastions of higher learning the ONLY place your children can get a chance to go to college.
Now to address RonB, you have to be kidding with the George Wallace reference, right? The GOP today espouses many of the beliefs and policies that Southern Democrats/Dixiecrats voiced 40-plus years ago. To make that comparison is both ludicrous and ignorant. Read a book, sir.
I am genuinely confused by Black conservatism. It is one thing to keep a watchful eye on spending (REAL conservatism), but it is a totally different issue to take up the causes that don't readily impact you. I believe in personal responsibility, but you all trash your own community to receive praise from folks who really don't care about you.
@famuace
you and other blacks like you have this fantasy about black conservatives embracing whites that don't care about them. that is such GARBAGE. i have been friends with blacks and whites my whole life. where blacks were catty and untrustworthy, whites were dependable and loyal, in my experiences.
@Namaste:
You wrote: "i have been friends with blacks and whites my whole life. where blacks were catty and untrustworthy, whites were dependable and loyal, in my experiences."
You do know you make FAMU's point for him....good Lord is there no END to the cretinism here? I dwell amongst the mortals...
Lawd, where do these Toms come from?
DJBA, you're absolutely right.
There seems to be no end to their self-hatred and utter contempt for their own people.
I'm just getting adjusted to CF and Muscle Daddy then this GLN and namaste come on and take the minstrel-meter up another coupls notches.
What's next?
Some black conservative fool claiming he was invited to a cross-burning and the kleagles fed him marshmallows??????
I've not met GLN, though I have read his writings. I like him, and rather expect that if I forego my ersatz HUD dwelling lawn mower avoiding habits (I am selling carbon offsets, you mow yours and I'll let mine grow. We accept Paypal), he'd get along with me.
In short, if I need someone to get cover my back, GLN is the guy for me. And Sarah Palin. Safe from mooses and people like Uptown, what more could anyone ask?
Which leads me to my real question: I've read this thread and I wonder, when do Uptown Steve and DJ Black decide that their personal obstruction is not based upon their race, but based upon the sort of people that they are?
cretin?!
did you just call me a name? lol! i haven't been called a name since high school.
see, this is why i don't fool with black people like you.
FMAUace~You write~"First, the fact that you, Conservative Black Woman, would have the nerve to denigrate your child's decision to attend an HBCU is sad and scary.Denigrate is a strong word. I said I am "heartbroken" and I also explained why. Further, in case this was not implicit in the statement: "I have no doubt that graduates of HBCU's do extremely well. It is because I have such confidence in the ability of my daughter and others like her that I want HBCU to raise the bar in terms of admission. Then those who are "racist" will have no fodder to work from, however, as long as we ask for "special consideration" then the logical conclusion is that we are not as capable."
Now if you are so steeped in your narrow assessment of what a black conservative believe that you can't dicipher clear language then I am assuming that you didn't attend one of those highly esteemed HBCUs. Oops, I guess you did-- FAMU. What exactly are the minimum admission standards for reading at FAMU?
Lastly you write "but it is a totally different issue to take up the causes that don't readily impact you. I believe in personal responsibility, but you all trash your own community to receive praise from folks who really don't care about you.'Praytell,what causes do you feel that the Black Conservative has taken up that don't readily impact us...taxes, family values, abortion, liberty, justice, freedom from government intervention in every area of our lives? Are we supposed to be too dumb to realize that liberalism is intent of eradicating freedom of speech & even freedom of thought (HR 1913)? None of that should be of any concern to us I guess because Obama is going to give us the "hook up".
Trashing our own community? We don't have to our own communitie is doing a fabulous job of that without our intervention. I can't believe that you black liberal democrat drones would rather bash a parent concerned about her daughter's intellect being respected and not marginalized by AN HBCU with low admission standards then you are with these colleges that CLEARLY think your children are dumber than boxes of rocks! Sorry, it makes me angry. Did you check out the admission requirement comparison FAMUace?
Namaste,
SMH. Quick to jump to defend someone who I didn't even specifically identify. I don't have quarrel with white folks; I have quarrel with folks who could care less about my progress. Folks who have historically treated me and my people as second-class citizens or at worst common chattel. The GOP of today, the "conservatives" of today, don't care about preserving any way of life except for theirs. They don't want to see anyone share in the wealth of this nation except for themselves -- and that transcends race. They promulgate a new form of feudalism that continues to subjugate all those who aren't like them.
FAMUace,
Great Posts!!
@Namaste:
You wrote: "see, this is why i don't fool with black people like you."
I wouldn't have it any other way, I rarely speak to commoners, so I prefer that you all don't speak to or of me first...improper etiquette and all. And in the future, when you do address me, I suggest you start off with SIR, as befitting of my nobility.
I tell you, do they teach these commoners ANYTHING these days? Verily....
@Pounding:
you write: "when do Uptown Steve and DJ Black decide that their personal obstruction is not based upon their race, but based upon the sort of people that they are?"
Verily, these commoners are coming out like ants at a picnic today. I don't think Steve or I complain about "obstructions", aside from whatever it is that obstruct people like you from having a grasp on reality.
@Uptown:
You wrote: "Lawd, where do these Toms come from?...There seems to be no end to their self-hatred and utter contempt for their own people."
If I remember correctly, when I first started posting here, you and I went around the block at odds a couple of times because you called some of these cretins "toms" and "self haters".
Nothing you said could convince me the average "Black Conservative" was a "tom"...nothing YOU said has....
Amen to that DJBA.
If Pounding Sand thinks we're concerned why black conservatives don't like us he's even further removed from reality than he appears already.
They don't even like themselves.
FAMUace~You write:"I have quarrel with folks who could care less about my progress."Why should anyone black or white be compelled to care about YOUR progress. Isn't the only thing that matters is that YOU care and your determination not to be impeded by others. Who is it who cares about white people love again? You said it's the Black Conservative who "trashes his own community in order to gain the affections of white folks" but in all actuality it is you liberal types who are obsessed with the support of white folks (liberal whites that is). You NEVER hear black conservatives state that they are Republicans or Conservatives because "they care about our needs" do you? Why, because we don't need their love we love ourselves. We embrace our ideology based on principles --not grievances.
How exactly does the democrat party (liberal white folks) care about YOUR progress?
@CBW:
"Why, because we don't need their love we love ourselves. We embrace our ideology based on principles --not grievances."
"It's about PRINCIPALITIES Smokey, principals involved...playin with my money is like playin with my emotions..." (Big Worm - Friday)
I'll be here all week people...
I will address these comments block by block...
Conservative Black Woman said...
FMAUace~You write~"First, the fact that you, Conservative Black Woman, would have the nerve to denigrate your child's decision to attend an HBCU is sad and scary.Denigrate is a strong word. I said I am "heartbroken" and I also explained why. Further, in case this was not implicit in the statement: "I have no doubt that graduates of HBCU's do extremely well. It is because I have such confidence in the ability of my daughter and others like her that I want HBCU to raise the bar in terms of admission. Then those who are "racist" will have no fodder to work from, however, as long as we ask for "special consideration" then the logical conclusion is that we are not as capable." I guess you are a proponent of revisionist writing because I am reading your original post and none of that statement was mentioned. NONE. Furthermore, our admission standards are sufficiently high to attract many of the best and brightest young Black scholars on par with the Ivies (yes Harvard and Yale included, as well as the "wish I was an Ivy" schools like Duke, Vanderbilt and Stanford.) However, with your statement you really seem to not understand the traditional mission of the HBCU -- to avail an educational opportunity to all who strive for it. Blacks, Hispanics, international students, and yes Whites, attend HBCUs to receive these opportunities that they otherwise would not receive. Many have their lives changes forever and placed on a trajectory for much higher planes than they were thought to reach. For instance, the pastor of the church I attended as a youth. He was told as a young man that he wasn't college material. In fact, his test scores reflected that as well. However, Knoxville College took a chance on him. KC allowed him to thrive and he is now a Ph.D. , a college president, and a respected educator. And he is not the only story like that. So, you may be concerned about what goes into the school, but you should be prouder of what leaves after matriculation, especially when the statistics say that the large majority of Black students that go to PWIs do not graduate from them. But I digress...
Now if you are so steeped in your narrow assessment of what a black conservative believe that you can't dicipher clear language then I am assuming that you didn't attend one of those highly esteemed HBCUs. Oops, I guess you did-- FAMU. What exactly are the minimum admission standards for reading at FAMU? An attempt at humor that badly missed. I can't decipher CLEAR language that did not appear in your post. I'm an economist...not a soothsayer.
Lastly you write "but it is a totally different issue to take up the causes that don't readily impact you. I believe in personal responsibility, but you all trash your own community to receive praise from folks who really don't care about you.'Praytell,what causes do you feel that the Black Conservative has taken up that don't readily impact us...taxes, family values, abortion, liberty, justice, freedom from government intervention in every area of our lives? Are we supposed to be too dumb to realize that liberalism is intent of eradicating freedom of speech & even freedom of thought (HR 1913)? None of that should be of any concern to us I guess because Obama is going to give us the "hook up". Okay, this is a mouthful; however, I will do my best to reply. taxes, family values, abortion, liberty, justice, freedom from government intervention in every area of our lives? No one likes to pay more tax than necessary. Family values are relative. Not every family is like Ozzie & Harriet or the Brady Bunch. Plus, the very folks lecturing from the moral "high ground" on family values and morality have had their share of extra-marital peccadilloes. Abortion? Don't get my started on the whole abortion issue. Abortion is an issue within the White community, not ours. Listening to most conservatives, they wish that Blacks and Hispanics would stop reproducing so prolifically. They aren't lining up to adopt any Black or Hispanic children. This is not merely a religious issue as it is being presented. The abortion issue is solely about the low reproduction rates of the White community. Isn't it 2025 when Whites projected to become the minority in this country? The numbers don't lie. The gay marriage issue is closely related to the reproduction issue as well.
Trashing our own community? We don't have to our own communitie is doing a fabulous job of that without our intervention. I can't believe that you black liberal democrat drones would rather bash a parent concerned about her daughter's intellect being respected and not marginalized by AN HBCU with low admission standards then you are with these colleges that CLEARLY think your children are dumber than boxes of rocks! Sorry, it makes me angry. Did you check out the admission requirement comparison FAMUace?First and foremost, I am NOT a Democrat. I am a THINKER! Second, the Black person that sees the destruction of our community yet truly does nothing to mitigate it is just as culpable, especially if you are able to do something to correct the issue. Third, using context clues, I gather your child will be attending Spelman. Apparently, you haven't seen their admission requirements; they are extremely rigid. I will not rehash my comments from earlier in this post, but I will say that you will never understand the true worth of an HBCU education.
@Uptown:
Exactly. I actually considered becoming a Republican (outside for possibly having to run as one in Chicago). I was troubled by and still am trouble by the blind support given to the Democratic party by African Americans. Heck, since Colin Powell was one of my favorite people, I figured maybe I should give the GOP a chance. I have voted for some Republicans, and still will if the candidate is on the right page. BUT, after listening to many of the so-called “Black Conservatives” rant, I can’t in good conscious be identified with their vitriol that they expose to the African American community.
Seriously, self criticism like that which came from Bill Cosby, Colin Powell and even from Barack Obama is not a problem, but these so-called “Black Conservatives” I have seen here, are just Hannity / Limbaugh suck up lackeys. It is really pathetic.
I just have to say a person is a person regardless of their color. A person that makes them self less than a person is one that thinks less of a person because of the color of their skin. If a person is color blind in all things then they should be able to see everything clearer.
It is my opinion that CBW, and a bunch of others are colorblind. It is the few that can not see because they are not colorblind, that want to hurl insults at others
"Seriously, self criticism like that which came from Bill Cosby, Colin Powell and even from Barack Obama is not a problem."
All three recieved resounding applause from the black audiences they spoke before.
We all know and acknowledge that there are members of our community who are not doing right, not taking advantage of opportunities and engaging in destructive behavior.
Responsibility and self-uplift has been advanced by very black religious and Civil Rights organization for the last century.
But the black conservative "responsibility game" is actually a fault laying exercise.
Actually arguing for racist white folk's irresponsibility, in an attempt to alleviate deep conservative guilt and culpability over their racism.
By doing this, the black conservative paints the entire black community with the dysfunction of a few because conseravtive in America is dependent upon racial animosity and the aspersion of blacks as a problematic underclass.
@Uptown:
"By doing this, the black conservative paints the entire black community with the dysfunction of a few because conseravtive in America is dependent upon racial animosity and the aspersion of blacks as a problematic underclass."
Exactly. The fact is the post Dixiecrat racist undertones (and overtones) of the GOP, forwarded with glee from Reagan till Bush II (and carried on by Gingrich, Cheney, Limbaugh, etc) are the thing that is destroying the GOP. Colin Powell criticized Limbaugh, Cheney sided with Limbaugh, Michael Steele criticized Limbaugh, Steele had the apologize.
I am sure General Powell will eventually leave the GOP, Steele seems like he is too weak to. In either case, I predict a new credible third party will come from the fall out of the GOP showing its true colors, that being "White Males Only" and anyone else who wants to be their boot lackeys and champion their cause.
@Whomever anonymous is:
"If a person is color blind in all things then they should be able to see everything clearer."
See, this is the kind of silliness that people who either have no clue about the social actualities of race in this country or who try to cover their own racism by such empty and silly platitudes.
There are colors, that is reality, no one is "color blind", what one should strive to be is rational and fair in dealing with the different people they come across REGARDLESS OF COLOR as well, we can respect, learn from and celebrate our cultural differences, utilize them as strengths.
FAMUace~You write" I guess you are a proponent of revisionist writing because I am reading your original post and none of that statement was mentioned. NONE.Not at all, it became necessary to expound on my initial comments nothing has been "revised". I stand my my initial comment.
You continue~"So, you may be concerned about what goes into the school, but you should be prouder of what leaves after matriculation"True enough, however, as I said originally I have four years to work through my agnst.
You say, "Family values are relative. Yes, that's the problem. You suggest that the very folks lecturing from the moral "high ground" on family values and morality have had their share of extra-marital peccadilloes. Really, I didn't hear John Edwards or Bill Clinton singing the virtues of marriage and family either before or after their affairs. You believe that abortion is not an issue in the black community? How can that be when black women between the ages of 15-44 constitute only about 13% of the female population in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions? I'd say that abortion not only affects our community but I would go as far as say that the "caring liberals" at Planned Parenthood intentionally targeting our community especially in lieu of the fact that 78% of their abortuaries, oh I guess I should be politically correct and call them "clinics" are in our black communities. I'm thinking that's pretty darn close to genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population and abortions have something to do with that, don't you think? So it isn't the conservatives black or white who think that blacks and hispanics should stop "proliferating" it's the high priest of death himself Barack Obama and his political backers -- those "caring" democrats at PPFA. You suggest that the abortion issue is solely about the low reproduction rates of the White community -- maybe. Again Barack Obama and his friends should know perhaps you should shoot them an email or something I'm sure in this new era of "transparency" he'll be able to bring clarity.
@CBW:
"You suggest that the very folks lecturing from the moral "high ground" on family values and morality have had their share of extra-marital peccadilloes. Really, I didn't hear John Edwards or Bill Clinton singing the virtues of marriage and family either before or after their affair"
I think the point is that Clinton's nor Edward's party was CLAIMING TO BE THE PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES, the GOP WAS, and at the same time getting caught in whorehouses, cheating on wives, having gay hook ups in airport bathrooms, etc., etc. Hypocrisy is worse than rebellion. Just saying
DJBA~You write"I think the point is that Clinton's nor Edward's party was CLAIMING TO BE THE PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES, the GOP WAS,Oh,I see since the Godless democrat party whose only animating beliefs are the unfettered murder of unborn babies, sodomy, redefining marriage, and worshiping the environment while eradicating all vestiges of religious dogma from our culture, don't even aspire to keep their weiners in their pants then their moral indiscretions don't count? How could I have forgotten, it's that enviable liberal double standard.
"I guess you are a proponent of revisionist writing because I am reading your original post and none of that statement was mentioned. NONE. Furthermore, our admission standards are sufficiently high to attract many of the best and brightest young Black scholars on par with the Ivies (yes Harvard and Yale included, as well as the "wish I was an Ivy" schools like Duke, Vanderbilt and Stanford.) However, with your statement you really seem to not understand the traditional mission of the HBCU -- to avail an educational opportunity to all who strive for it. Blacks, Hispanics, international students, and yes Whites, attend HBCUs to receive these opportunities that they otherwise would not receive. Many have their lives changes forever and placed on a trajectory for much higher planes than they were thought to reach. For instance, the pastor of the church I attended as a youth. He was told as a young man that he wasn't college material. In fact, his test scores reflected that as well. However, Knoxville College took a chance on him. KC allowed him to thrive and he is now a Ph.D. , a college president, and a respected educator. And he is not the only story like that. So, you may be concerned about what goes into the school, but you should be prouder of what leaves after matriculation, especially when the statistics say that the large majority of Black students that go to PWIs do not graduate from them."
Thanks for pointing this out FAMUace. I've been sitting back and watching this exchange just waiting for somebody to provide historical context to this discussion.
This is why I don't agree with the assertion that HBCUs are irrelevant. In fact, the majority of them serve the higher education needs of kids whose parents make less than $30K per year - kids who otherwise may not have the opportunity to attend and institute of higher learning.
This goes back to my original comment when I said that CBW should be happy or maybe even proud that she has made the choice to attend an HBCU. To me, it's an insult to suggest that the admission standards are sub par and not comparable to those of "other" institutions of higher learning.
Lets be honest...
if that were truly a problem, would they still be accredited?
Historically speaking, HBCUs have done much by way of ballooning the Black middle class in this country. So, to say that they're irrelevant and be heartbroken that her daughter chose to attend one is sad. But hey, those are her feelings - maybe she feels her daughter is too good to attend an HBCU. I can't speak for others who have commented here, but I think that's the sense they're getting.
Seems like if one is not supportive of HBCUs they wouldn't choose to PULL THE RACE CARD - somethings Black Conservatives often not do or are against - and say that Obama doesn't care about Black people for political expediency.
I never attended an HBCU, but I come from a family where there is a tradition of support and attendance of these schools. I passed on going to Howard University to attend Indiana University instead. I had my own reasons which had more to do with breaking family tradition than anything else. As a Black man having obtained a degree elsewhere, I support HBCUs. I do because I was able to see where many kids would not be able to make it in "traditional" institutes of higher learning.
One thing I think important to note, is that most of the federal funds that go to HBCUs (in this case) go directly to THE STUDENTS. This post gives the reader the impression that this cut in spending directly impacts the schools in suggesting that they are inferior. One other thing is that it doesn't mention that with the new proposed budget, these kids will see an increase in the maximum of their Pell Grants. CBW, you also failed to mention that the $85 million that was cut, was from a 2yr TEMPORARY program. In other words, it was something that they knew that could be retracted any fiscal year.
Oh yeah...
you also forgot to mention to the readers that Obama's budget includes $2.5 billion for a new five-year Access and Completion incentive fund to support innovative state efforts to help low-income students complete their college education.
And one last thing...
Nobody has hit on the FACT that within HBCUs, minority faculty is not at the level one would think it is or should be. It is a FACT that non-minorities in academia within the HBCU structure or network STILL are over-represented relative to Black faculty or other minorities. How come nothing is said about this? But yet its about Liberals vs. Conservatives, and who really cares about minorities?
This entire debate on this post reminds me of two quotes. Two quotes I shall leave for YOU to ponder on...
"It doesn't do good to open doors for someone who doesn't have the price to get in. If he has the price, he may not need the laws. There is no law saying the Negro has to live in Harlem or Watts" - Ronald Reagan
AND...
"Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one." - Malcolm Forbes
Rippa~You write:"To me, it's an insult to suggest that the admission standards are sub par and not comparable to those of "other" institutions of higher learning.
Lets be honest...
if that were truly a problem, would they still be accredited?"That's my point. It's an insult to me that they are so low. You don't have to take my word for it check out www.princetonreview.com.
Are there traditional schools with equally low admission standards--ABSOLUTELY. But my daughter is not interested in attending those and if she were I'd be all in her azz about that too. (For the record this matter is settled she is going to the school of her choice)I don't know why this is so incomprehensible or reprehensible to some but I expected my daughter to go to a competitive school...Princeton, Cornell, Duke, Pepperdine, Vasser. Not because she's "too-good" (that's petty btw typical ni**gah shyt)for an HBCU but because of her intellectual acumen and if the admission standards were higher then I wouldn't have protested (as much). It's that simple.
As far as the relevency of HBCU I understand what everyone is saying it's not like I didn't know this. My daughter threw me for a loop, had I known she was going to choose a school that would grant her admission based an "average" reading, math, and writing proficiencies I would have send her to an average school and would have saved my damn money all these years.
LOL,
CBW, as a parent, I can understand your frustration especially when you hit on the money you've spent sending her to school "all these years," as you said.
Seriously, I understand.
To your credit you are concerned about you daughters higher education and rightfully so. I just don't think you expressed it adequately in attempting to politicize it. But hey that's just me. Now see, even though you an I may be polar opposites politically, we can agree on some things.
My issue as I stated in my most recent comment is in realizing the historical and economic context as it applies to this subject in dealing with funding for HBCUs in particular.
I had a discussion about this not too long ago and I would like to get your input on it. It deals particularly with the rates of graduation of Black men from HBCUs.
Big Man on Campus? Not If You Don't Graduate!
@CBW:
Ypu wrote: " How could I have forgotten, it's that enviable liberal double standard."
It is not a double standar, for those who do not PROFESS Christ, they are sinners, simple as that, in sin. the GOP profess Christ and I heard a preacher say:
Rev 3.15-16 "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."
So, if you want to talk the talk, be expected to walk the walk.
CBW,.
I'm with you on that.
My kids are still young (oldest is in 4th grade, youngest isn't in school yet), but I'm spending real money to have them in the best schools I can afford (one need only look to the Denver public school numbers to see why).
I am completely involved in my daughter's school, homework, etc., etc...
My HOPE is that she'll WANT to go to the best (as in: 'highest academic status') college she can qualify for - giving her the BEST opportunity to leverage her college career in favor of her future.
Otherwise, it would be like handing over a gold-coin for a silver-coin education.
- MD
GLN
I wouldn't waste one second of my time patronizing your website which I am sure is filled with enough nigga-hatin' anti-black venom as to make a nazi smile with delight.
You're a sick, pitiable, psychologically damaged buffoon.
Why don't you do us all a favor and go see Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon and get the whole thing over with.
You won't be missed.
[quote]The GOP today espouses many of the beliefs and policies that Southern Democrats/Dixiecrats voiced 40-plus years ago[/quote]
PUT FOOLISHNESS DOWN when it sprouts up.
Again - Put a White Supremacist into a beaker and turn on the fire to DISTILL HIS ESSENTIAL ESSENCE
1) He wants to KILL BLACK PEOPLE to terrorize us and keep us in our place.In 2009 THE Domestic Pirate Thugs serve this function. The television broadcast technology allows all who are interested to document his daily assault upon Black people, thus keeping us in fear.
2) The White Supremacist seeks suppress Black Education by keeping us in inferior schools.
Today more INSTRUCTIONAL TIME IS CONFISCATED by the disruptive antics of the "Thugs In Training" who sit within the classroom than by any other force that you could think of.
DESPITE having favorable people in place running our government operated schools - their condition has not been FIXED.
3) The White Supremacists sought to destroy the economic base of Black people.Today if you live in a major metro area you will see the Domestic Thug pirates throwing bricks through front windows or driving cars through the front doors of Black owned businesses that have closed for the night as their owners have gone home to rest with his family. Recently a pirate followed a Black store owner home and put a hot butter knife on the skin of the owner until he gave up the money.
4) They seek to inject biological agents into the general Black population in order to KILL USToday the most common agent for injection of these biological agents is the BLACK MALE PENIS!!!
Despite the talk about the purposeful incarceration so that he might get infected - the PROGRESSIVE ideology of today which rejects attempts at temperance prefers "Wrap It Up" instead. As this policy FAILS - the progressive city of Baltimore has become the #1 growth area for HIV infections with DC following closely.
ARE YOU SURE that it is the GOP who is doing this FAMUAce?
Where are the Republicans within cities with large Black populations?
Maybe they are plotting to kill us so they can make a comeback?
GLN
You're just clamoring for attention.
Why don't you try something you may have some talent at?
Get a tin cup and some tapshoes and go dance in front of a segregated country club.
@Gaius:
Well, I'd visit your site, however; you would have to retract that "faux Marine" statement. I served my country with honor and distinction as a United States Marine. I can take your potshots at my ideology, however; you crossed the line there.
I am curious, did you serve?
UTS: “You're just clamoring for attention.”
You’re one to talk! LOL! I guess it does take one to know one. Seriously UTS, I’m starting to believe you only comment on this blog for attention. I mean we get it already. You think we’re pathetic, sellout, Uncle Toms, with serious self hatred issues. We get it. You believe Linda, and all other white conservatives, to be bigots. Understood. You live in an upper middle class neighborhood with $500K houses and probably drive a luxury car. Great. You’ve made your point loud and clear about a thousand times and, have beaten the dead horse into the ground already.
UTS,
“You're just clamoring for attention”.
What Zabeth said ... and 'no' anyway - MNW gets more traffic than the rest of us put together.
DJBA,
He did, and retired from it.
I just talked to him & he's not watching right now - I'll talk to him about the 'faux' comment (even though you've not been terribly scrupulous about keeping your attacks to an 'ideological' level) - because I know the offer was made in earnest.
I don't know why he does it, but he's sincere about it.
- MD
Guess he couldn't read. Gaius's comment mentioned going to KS via being in the military. So yea, he served. With all kinds of honor, all over the world!
All he is saying, and CBW too, is that anyone of any color who believes that race is the most important thing about them, is missing the boat. Sure, it has an impact. But it does not mean that you are better or worse off b/c of it. The Democratic party has used the "WE CARE MORE" line for decades now. And what have they done to show it? I mean besides increase taxes and make sure that the poor stay that way? Most black folks will agree 100% with the Republican platform until they are told who it belongs to; they aren't in favor or gay marriage, they don't want to see taxes increased, they are against abortion unless the mother's life is in danger, etc. But they vote for the Dem's so heavily b/c they have been promised a Christmas present that never arrives. Even if you DO love the Democrats and their platform, at least hold them to their promises. You are giving away your power by voting blindly for anyone just b/c they do (or don't) have a "D" by their name.
MRS. Gaius
MRS.!!!
How've you been - haven't seen you much lately!
- MD
Zabeth,
I already know how much folks like you hate debate and want any opposing views to go away so you can titilate each other into pseudo-intellectual orgasms.
But it's not attention I seek.
I just enjoy exposing righties.
@Anon:
"All he is saying, and CBW too, is that anyone of any color who believes that race is the most important thing about them, is missing the boat."
Who is saying that color is the most important thing?
@MD:
Hey, I can even take personal attacks, but aside from an A.int R.eady to be M.arines Y.et I don't think I jump in the mix questioning peoples service.
But hey, you conservatives operate by a different set of rules, any party and /or ideology that will kick out General Colin Powell, well I guess I know what a lowly Marine Staff Sergeant can expect for disagreeing...
To: DJ Black Adam
Yup Air Force 9 years.
Ok no more hostilities…. If you care to read last fall I posted kind of a brief life story about myself (Shoop Chronicles, part 1-5)because frankly I got tired to liberal whiteys and black folks telling me I was some sellout and suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and other insults.
My point was not to toot my own horn or say that my life is special or anything. My point was to explain that our mindsets are formed by a collection of life experiences.
The point of writing the piece was to point out that I have the views I have today not because I was brainwashed but because through a series of life experiences and realities I am what I am today.
I think the way I do because of careful thoughtful analysis and paying attention to not what people say but what they do.
In addition I don’t advocate that we should all have the same mindset and think the same way and vote the same way.
I worked my ass off working with black churches, community organizations and entities like the Boys and Girls club to try and get black folks to be independent thinkers. Stop thinking in terms of color, race, and that the D or R after a politicians name don’t mean shit.
Bottom line is my thinking is this black people vote 90 plus percent for democrats and they pay for it each and every year. My theory is this if one particular political party was guaranteed that one racial segment was going to vote for them no matter what then hell why work for their interests. Pat them on the head during the campaign and them leave them high and dry after the election.
Let me be clear, anger and rhetoric aside I don’t have all the damn answers and you do have valid points but too many black folks have been taught to castigate and marginalize the opposition.
Liberal white folks would love nothing better than to see us fighting over the same stupid shit and continue to name call.
I’m not gonna lie I detest white liberalism and I have believed for many years now I’m (45 years old) that they revel in keeping black folks ignorant, helpless and dependent.
White liberals better pray that I never win the lottery I swear I would dedicate the rest of my life to educate folks through the media, foundations, whatever it took to inform folks especially black folks on the evils of liberalism.
I have no problem accepting the fact that folks may not agree with me nor like what I say as long as you have conviction and it comes from the heart.
When folks go to the Uncle Tom card or the sellout card nothing else matters.
I have a nephew who is in the Marines, served two tours in Iraq, another who was in the Navy, my middle brother former Navy, my Dad former Army.
I’m not about dissing someone’s service to the country but that is what happens when political differences turn nasty especially when we have not walked in the other persons shoes.
Peace
Gaius:
Well, I am not a liberal so it might not be advantageous for you to have me around to debate. I don’t accept the false dichotomy of liberal / conservative or democrat / republican that has dominated the political landscape since the Reagan era. I think about the issues and formulate my own positions, some would be considered conservative, and others would not.
In either case there are links to my blog:
http://djblackadam.typepad.com
http://christianre-ed101.blogspot.com/2009/05/christian-re-education-101-begins.html
Looking forward to any positive exchange.
One more thing and you heard it first here.
Watch the Republican Party kick Michael Steele to the curb before the end of the year.
I'm taking all bets.
Conservatives just don't like your black asses no matter how much you dance for them.
I have no problem with debate and opposing points of view. I think that discourse is necessary in functioning society. However, I’ve found that’s it’s mostly libs who can’t handle someone disagreeing with them and immediately jump on the “You’re a racist/elitist/homophobe/sexist/insert your favorite –ist” bandwagon whenever they hear something they don’t like.
That’s about all the attention I’m going to pay to UTS as I’m much more interested in hearing the discussion about the actual post as presented by CBW.
I just think that UTS and DJBA are emotionally wounded people that cling to the idea of racism because it gives them something to focus on apart from their hurts.
It just seems tragic, because while the world moves on, they are stuck nursing wounds from an era that has been long gone, and one they never even experienced. Check their references to massa, uncletoms, plantations etc.
They honestly are unable to receive any information that doesn't come from a liberal democrat. CBW, I bet if you ever added a fake post attributing democrats with a view republicans usually hold, these two would probably agree with it.
[quote]They are in the poorest and most backward Southern states telling the 'necks "The niggas are comin' to get you. Vote for me and I'll protect you."[/quote]
Steve - You should be honored to know that you are about 1/3 of the key force that drives my RESEARCH.
I realize that it is to my advantage to create a bookshelf of facts that I can quickly refer to as a means of shutting you UP.
Top 100 Lowest Income Zipcodes per IRS Tax Filings of 20,000 or more
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/05/poorest-zip-codes-in-united-states.html
OOOPS It seems that in DEMOCRATIC Controlled Fulton County Georgia's INCOMPETENCE In Its Election Administration Resulted In Many People Having Their Opportunity To Vote Stolen From them:
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/05/critical-voting-irregularies-in-fulton.html
If you think that these VOTING IRREGULARITIES are going to appear in the NAACP Voting Report that they create every 2 years - YOU ARE SMOKING SOMETHING.
THE DEMOCRATS WON. There is NO NEED FOR THEM TO BYTCH AND COMPLAIN about the loss of these voter's votes"
"I just think that UTS and DJBA are emotionally wounded people that cling to the idea of racism because it gives them something to focus on apart from their hurts."
I just think that "anonymous" posters are pussies.
@Anonymous:
You wrote: "I just think that UTS and DJBA are emotionally wounded people that cling to the idea of racism because it gives them something to focus on apart from their hurts."
Uptown replied: "I just think that "anonymous" posters are pussies."
I second Uptown's motion. Emotionally wounded? Good Lord. I have seen Uptowns comments, very few have been based ain any type of emotion aside from pity, which I am growing to share....
Adam and Uptown. You are obviously superior beings with more intellect and insight than most people. Just keep on talking. Let your light shine. Keep telling it like you see it. OH and keep assuming you are so superior that you need to pity those who disagree with you, avoid facts, make personal attacks, and not provide specific information as the basis of your conclusions. It really helps people to come over to your way of thinking if you attack them personally.
NOTE - Sarcasm is NOT my forte.
And I post anon b/c I'm too inept to figure out how to get a real blog identity.
So I'll just sign it this way.
MRS. Gaius
"OH and keep assuming you are so superior that you need to pity those who disagree with you"
No. I pity people who hate themselves and their community while sucking up to people who hate them.
It's pathetic.
"avoid facts"
Example please.
"make personal attacks"
Of course people on your side never make personal attacks. And of course you haven't either, right?
Ohhhh, what's this?
"I just think that UTS and DJBA are emotionally wounded people that cling to the idea of racism because it gives them something to focus on apart from their hurts."
"and not provide specific information as the basis of your conclusions."
Again, example please.
I'll wait patiently.
@Mrs. Gaius - Anonymous:
You wrote: "Adam and Uptown. You are obviously superior beings with more intellect and insight than most people."
Verily, Uptown Steve may not as of yet accepted the actuality that you Hannity / Limbaugh lackeys are of inferior intellect, I have.
What else could explain such lunacy, aside that the people who follow those cretins, Black or White, are of inferior intellect or should I say feeble minded, and as such, contempt would be wrong, only pity will suffice.
As the Grandverbilizer would say: "I dwell amongst the mortals, my time is in the verse, positive nature, mortals call it curse..."
"President Barack Obama's education budget, unveiled Thursday, included major spending increases in many areas — but didn't include an extra $85 million that black institutions have received annually for the past two years thanks to a 2007 change to the student loan laws." (UTS)
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Looks like it's time for another lesson.
First it was that UTS didn't understansd the difference between the National DEBT and a Budget Deficit, then it was NYC's crime rates, and on and on, but NOW, UTS doesn't seem to understand WHO controls the National BUDGET or the "purse strings of government."
That would be CONGRESS, and NOT the Executive Branch.
That's why Newt Gingrich and Company shut down the federal government back in 1995 when Bill Clinton initially balked at his budget cuts and slashing the Capital Gains rate from 30% to 20%.
The Gingrich Budget won out...and the result was Clinton signing on 7 of the 10 planks of the "Contract With America" and the booming late 1990s.
Likewise, the 2007 Budget was designed by Pelosi-Reid...Congress controls the expenditures of the country, NOT the President.
Now, certainly President Obama COULD strongly suggest that Congress return that $85 million, and a Democratic Congress probably WOULD seriously consider that....but apparently he didn't, they didn't and CBW is right again.
Just like DEBT = the overall national debt (the money the fed owes), while the DEFICT refers to the amount of money spend, beyond the revenues required to cover it, each year, CONGRESS controls the National BUDGET, the Executive Branch does not.
Haven't been around in a while (lots of work), but I'm always happy to help you understand thigs better.
@JMK:
Long time no see, it is good to see you tovarisch.
Perhaps you can now admit that "reagonomics" and his supply side fiction actually helped put us in the situation we are currently in?
tovarisch!!
Ah another R. Hienline fan. I love "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"...it is the anthem of libertarians.
Sigh. Of COURSE you feel superior. That's the hallmark of liberal thinking. Only YOU have the answers. Only YOU can save the dummies from their own stupidity. Only YOU have everyone elses' best interests at heart while you dictate more and more rules by which others should live their lives. Such superior beings should be given their just due, and obeyed, eh?
Yep. Liberals who profess to want to help are far too often the people most likely to have disdain for anyone who DARES to disagree with them. Such caring people. Such open-minded people. Such calm peaceful people. Those who pity anyone who can't be so superior. Yea, superior caring beings. Who with pity and disdain want to rule us all. Kinda like the dictators of old. Or now.
How dare we disagree or want you to give us facts?
Because we THINK not FEEL. And we KNOW we are not superior. We simply want to be FREE and not made to do what someone else thinks is "what is best" by their standards.
You need to re-read Hienline again.
The lack of logic would be laughable if it weren't so common and sad.
MRS G
@Anonymous:
"Sigh. Of COURSE you feel superior. That's the hallmark of liberal thinking."
One mo'again. I am NOT a Liberal. I am an Aristocratic Elitist, I think most LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES are non thinking commoners, and you all prove it everyday (Conservatives more so these days because you are mad that you are no longer king of the hill).
Just wanted to make sure you understood where I am coming from.
Moving on...
Anonymous,
You can answer my questions anytime.
JMK,
Did you enjoy militiaman training?
I am a black conservative. I served in the military 20 yrs, serve in Iraq now, and have had the good fortune to live all over the US. I have read alot of the post here and I see an element of denial with the black liberal/democrat posters. They seem to be extremly quick to place blame outside the very communities that they say republicans keep down. In the vast majority of ghettos, black and white democrats run that show. It was the democrat party that helped destroy the black community by paying more money to welfare recipiants if there was no father. Its the liberal Hollywood communtiy that makes single motherhood, crime, and drug use look cool. Its black musicians that glamorize being a thug, dogging out women, and killing people.
To me, blacks need to own up to their shortcomings, their own failures to step up to the plate and stop asking for someone to help them and help themselves. Until we develop a sence of ownership of our fate, we will always be hanging toward the bottom of the food chain. How is it Immigrants can come to America, get a loan for a store, and develop a prospering business in our own communites? They work hard for the American dream, and dont accept failure nor excuses.
Ultimately if you want change in your communities, you have to man-up/woman-up and stop blaming outsiders. Thats my take on things
Uh hello there remember me? **Wave** I'm a little offended by this because I am currently a student at an HBCU and well for you to say that I'm basically wasting my time because my school is inferior to PWI is not exactly sitting well with me. I attend FAMU and if you would go to the same site you just posted that our Pharmacy school is one of the top in the nation and our 2008 class had a 100% passing rate on the licensing exam in 2008. :) Now when I graduated from high school I had 3.8 GPA was top 5% of my class, and even completed the Dual-Enrollment Program which allowed me receive my AA degree at 17 years old so I am in no way dumb. I'm glad your daughter is attending an HBCU and if you're feeling bad now. You'll get over it once you see that they by no means going easy on them is just as ruff as the regular school. BTW what is her major? I'm Pre-Med so my major is hard regardless of where you go. Just as for me an English degree would be easy no matter where I went. As for those admissions so what it depends on what you do when you get here. I could have gone to Yale if I wanted to but chose FAMU because it was closer to home and plus I got a pretty nice scholarship from them. I got a scholarship from Lincoln University too but those Out of State fees are a killer. Both of my parents are educators(Also FAMU Alumni as was my grandmother who was the first in her family to go to college) and well what my scholarships don't cover they pay for. Also FAMU provides alot of services for the black community here like HIV/AIDS awareness and help, High school diploma programs, and mentoring programs for students at the local public schools.Either way I love FAMU and after my first year I'm glad I came here. Anyways I hope you change your mind out about HBCUs especially when you daughter starts going to hers.
Also isn't it possible to have both Liberal and Conservative views?
"Anyways I hope you change your mind out about HBCUs especially when you daughter starts going to hers"Me too RainaHavoc. Aren't you the awesome young lady who has chosen abstinence? I am working through my issues with HBCU's, I am prayful that my daughter will be challenged to to perform at her highest potential.
Yes, I think most people do hold both liberal and conservative views (It just seems that I'm the odd ball who doesn't...lol)
I wish you all the best.
@CBW:Thank you very much. I'll do my best and I wish your daughter good luck as well. That first year is always the most challenging one. :)
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