Thursday, March 5, 2009

Was 'Lady Macbeth' Behind Barack Obama's Snub Of Gordon Brown

Michelle Obama's dress sense may be impeccable, but what of her politics? (Photo: Getty)


Jame Delingpole, writer, journalist and broadcaster wrote the article re-printed below on his blog at Telegraph.co.uk today. It references Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis and I'd like to go on record saying that I absolutely do not hold that against her. In fact, when I was a 21 year old college senior I followed Kwame Toure (Stokely Carmichael) and joined the All African People's Revolutionary Party -- how crazy is that! However, I thought this was an interesting article none the less and Princeton thesis not withstanding I think Mr. Delingpole isn't too far off the mark with his impression of Mrs. Obama (FLOTUS)

"On US radio's Garrison show today, I was asked for my reaction as a true born Englishman to President Obama's double insult - first the sending back of the Winston Churchill bust, then his snub to Gordon Brown. "Tough one. Really tough one," I said, torn - as most of surely are - between delight at seeing Brown roundly humiliated, and dismay at having the special relationship so peremptorily, cruelly and bafflingly ruptured.

Iain Martin is quite right here: no matter how utterly rubbish we have become as a nation in the Blair/Brown years, Britain's friendship is something Obama will come to regret having dispensed with so lightly. This was not the act of a global statesman, but of a hormonal teenager dismissing her bestest of best BFs for no other reason than that she felt like it and she can, so there.

What was the guy thinking? In researching my new book Welcome to Obamaland, I discovered that Obama's judgment is pretty dreadful - but this? My favourite theory so far - suggested by presenter Greg Garrison - was that it was a move calculated to please his Lady Macbeth. At the moment in Britain, we're still in the "Doesn't she look fabulous in a designer frock" stage of understanding of Michelle Obama. Gradually, though, we'll begin to realise that she is every bit the terrifying executive's wife that Hillary Clinton was. Or, shudder, Cherie Blair.

We may just LURVE Michelle's fashion sense. But Michelle doesn't reciprocate our affection, one bit. Her broad-brush view of history associates Brits with the wicked white global hegemony responsible for the slave trade. Never mind that a white, Tory Englishman - William Wilberforce - brought the slave trade to an end. Judging by her record, Michelle does not make room for such subtle nuance.

Consider her notorious statement that: "For the first time in my adult life I am really proud of my country." Consider her (till-recently suppressed) Princeton thesis, "Princeton Educated Blacks And The Black Community."

In it she writes: "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."

Here we see that she has mastered the authentic voice of grievance culture. She also - the thesis was written in 1985 - pre-empts the Macpherson report's ludicrous, catch-all definition of racism: "A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person." No matter how hard young Michelle's white undergraduate contemporaries try to be nice, it's not their behaviour that counts, but how Michelle feels. (Unfortunately that's exactly what racism has come to mean is in this country-CBW)

More worrying, though, and dangerous, than young Michelle's desperate quest for validation through victimhood is the other strain within her thesis. "As I enter my final year at Princeton," she writes. "I find myself striving for many of the same goals as my White classmates - acceptance to a prestigious graduate or professional school or a high paying position in a successful corporation. Thus, my goals at Princeton are not as clear as before."

"Yes, exactly, you silly girl" you want to shriek at young Michelle as you give her a good shake. "It's called 'opening your mind', 'broadening your experience', 'allowing youthful dogma to be shaped by reality.' It's why people go to university, don't you know?"" (Source)

71 comments:

The Pondering Catholic said...

That, was interesting....

DJ Black Adam said...

Oy Veh...

JudyBright said...

What did they do exactly? I didn't hear about it.

Conservative Black Woman said...

Apparently there was suppose to be a press conference in the
Rose garden which was cancelled because of snow...but they didn't move it inside. The brits were a bit put off because they feel Gordon was treated well and they compared his Pres. Obama treatment of Gordon Brown to Pres. Bush's treatment of Tony Blair. On a "cattier" note. Mrs. Brown gave the Obama girls dresses and matching necklaces as well as a collection of books by british authors apparently and Mrs. O gave the brown boys $15 plastic airforce 1 replicas which could be purchased in the White House gift shop. (like I said it's catty). Here is a link:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/03/barack_obama_cancels_press_conference_with_gordon_brown_because_of_snow

brotherkomrade said...

I love what one of my favorite bloggers had to say.

http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/dickhead_of_the_day_james/

Conservative Black Woman said...

BrotherKomrade, LOL - That wasn't very nice...but it was a funny.

Hey, are you impressed that I once belonged to AAPRP?

Devon said...

Michelle and Obama are nothing but bitter hateful socialists...honestly, what a couple of morons....It is bad enough America elected obama but getting Michelle with the package is appalling!!

40 months till we kick them out folks...just keep focused...

brotherkomrade said...

"Hey, are you impressed that I once belonged to AAPRP?"

LOL, CBW. I'm impressed, but not surprised. The problem is that group was a toxic waste dump. I used to subscribe to Burning Spear and when I met some of the members, in Houston during the time I lived there, I was ran screaming to hills. Too incestuous and too crazy. Yet, the craziest groups produces the farther-right people later in life. Just proud that I never turned to the dark side no matter the different streams I've swam in on the Left.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Devon:

"but getting Michelle with the package is appalling!!"

You guys sound more and more pathetic by the second.

uptownsteve said...

"You guys sound more and more pathetic by the second."

Amen.

They are downright pitiable.

RightKlik said...

I don't know how much Michelle had to do with this, but it was very embarrassing. The Brits are rightfully incensed.

Rudy said...

No matter how hard young Michelle's white undergraduate contemporaries try to be nice, it's not their behaviour that counts, but how Michelle feels.

It's called instincts. I surmise that young Michelle had a penchant of sniffing out phony people.

I am going to read Michelle's thesis to see what all the hoopla is about.

Devon said...

Michelle is a tool...that goes without saying...

Obama looks relatively sane compared next to her...Just as Bill had Hillary, now Obama has Michelle..

Sigh..40 more months of these left wing lunatics...keep focused people...

uptownsteve said...

Devon are you black?

Conservative Black Woman said...

UTS~Are you formulating the premise that if Devon is non-black then she is racist? Because, there would be no other reason to dislike Mrs. Obama, right?

uptownsteve said...

Damn right CBW.

I see no reason for the intense enmity that Devon has shown the First Lady (an unoffical position) other than racism or if Devon is black, debilitating self-hatred.

What has Michele Obama done to deserve such hate other than be black and the wife of the President???

What really cracks me up about you black righties is that you really believe that you're okay and the rest of us are nuts.

LOL!!!

Conservative Black Woman said...

Yes UTS it is pretty funny that disapproval of these two human beings is blasphemous to you and other Obama acolytes....this is what I consider Obamamania.

uptownsteve said...

You still haven't answered the question CBW.

What has Obama or his wife done to merit all this hatred from you and your buddies???

WHAT?

Conservative Black Woman said...

UTS~I don't have anything against Michelle Obama but I can understand if Devon and others feel that she is a leftest radical like her husband. I think that would be a fair assumption and I'm not real fond of radical leftist either (although you have grown on me and God only knows why)

Conservative Black Woman said...

oops, I meant to say leftist.

uptownsteve said...

Obama is not a leftist radical and indeed a moderate.

Righties are using the "leftist radical" code to cover the fact that they really can't deal with the notion of a black President.

They just can't handle it.

I'm hardly a leftist either.

I'm pro-law and order, low taxes, family oriented, veteran, hard work, sacrifice....the whole 9 yards..

But people like you reflexively hurl the "leftist" tag at anyone who realizes that race is still a serious problem in America or anyone who doesn't couch the race issue into rants about crime and illegitimacy.

Conservative Black Woman said...

"But people like you reflexively hurl the "leftist" tag at anyone who realizes that race is still a serious problem in America or anyone who doesn't couch the race issue into rants about crime and illegitimacy."

What then do you propose we should do about the still serious problem of race? Do you really think calling folks "racist" because they happen to dislike a person of color is the answer? I can tell you UTS it ain't effective because it changes nothing.

Michelle Obama made the very incendiary comment that for the first time in a long time she was truly proud of her country....now I wasn't enraged by that. I grew up around folks who hold those sentiments so perhaps I'm de-sensitized. But that soured her in the eyes of many...and that's not unreasonable. People have sons and daughters dying defending this country so for her to say that was a like spitting in the face of those folks. It could very possibly have nothing to do with race. Jane Fonda is very much despised to this day because of her comments about the VietNam war so what do you call the white people who dislike her?

BTW, PSBO is hardly moderate in my humble opinion.

uptownsteve said...

"Michelle Obama made the very incendiary comment that for the first time in a long time she was truly proud of her country."

What the hell was so incendiary about that?

I know a lot of folks INCLUDING ME, who felt the same way.

I don't know about you but I felt very disappointed that a mere 15 years ago out and out racists like Pat Buchanan and David Duke could be members of major political party and serious candidates for President.

I felt incredibly saddened by a majority of Americans supporting an illegal and immoral invasion of a nation which neither invaded nor threatened us.

Conservatives always want gratitude and humility from blacks while they seem to feel they can be as arrogant and accusatory as they please.

One thing that really brings joy to my heart about the Obamas is that certain folks will have no choice but to get used to proud, strong black people who don't ask questions but MAKE STATEMENTS.

Who make decisions and don't ask for permission.

Yeah, they damn sure are going to get used to it.

uptownsteve said...

"Do you really think calling folks "racist" because they happen to dislike a person of color is the answer? I can tell you UTS it ain't effective because it changes nothing."

I could care less how someone white or otherwise feels about me.

It is their BEHAVIOR TOWARD me that I'm concerned with.

Conservative Black Woman said...

I could care less how someone white or otherwise feels about me.

Well, I agree with you there. You can't make people like you nor can you control what they think about you. Behavior? No sure. Grown-ups can behave as they wish. As long as you are not physically assaulted or your civil rights violated what can you do about it? I'm you can get indignant and cuss a blue streak but that doesn't change what is in a person's heart. That's why I don't sweat it. It's futile to me.

Regarding the Obamas, yep they are the power couple of the free world and it's not the fact that they are black that many have a problem with. Its the fact that their vision for America isn't where many want to go.

uptownsteve said...

"Regarding the Obamas, yep they are the power couple of the free world and it's not the fact that they are black that many have a problem with. Its the fact that their vision for America isn't where many want to go."

If you don't believe that a lot of conservatives have a problem with black folks in the White House then I have a bridge over the Potomac I'd like to sell you.

"Its the fact that their vision for America isn't where many want to go."

C'mon CBW.

The Obamas are trying to clean up the mess the righties made over the last eight years.

That's why he was elected.

Because a majority of Americans thought this nation was going in the wrong direction and voted to change course.

JMK said...

“Do you really think calling folks "racist" because they happen to dislike a person of color is the answer? I can tell you UTS it ain't effective because it changes nothing.” (CBW)


Oh, it changes things some, it gets people dug in deeper and even more adversarial.

UTS thinks that “racial dialogue” is him (or "black America") giving "white America" a “talking to.” That’s NOT a dialogue anyone’s interested in.

There are grievances on both sides. Some legitimate, most not.

Personally, I don’t have much pity for people who don’t compete well. Most CAN compete, but choose not to. That’s why the primary cause of poverty is reckless and irresponsible behaviors; substance abuse, failure to hold down a job, sexual promiscuity, poor impulse control. It’s the same in Appalachia as it is in the South Bronx. The chronically poor wallow in depravity, while those who aspire, put effort into desire and get it done.

Bigots like UTS think “low income” and “the poor” are code words for “black,” when in fact OVER 70% of the poor in America are white, when the same percentage of “low income Americans” are of that same group. Bigots like UTS don’t look to dealing with poverty, they’re ONLY interested in dealing with “black poverty.”
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“You can't make people like you nor can you control what they think about you.” (CBW)


True enough, but that’s not the issue your initial statement (“Do you really think calling folks "racist" because they happen to dislike a person of color is the answer? I can tell you UTS it ain't effective because it changes nothing,”) addressed.

UTS answered your initial statement with a non sequitor.

BOTH your statements are correct, as written.

Calling those you may have issues with names does nothing but alienate and anger them AND what others think of any of us, is of no consequence. In fact, we really can’t say we KNOW what anyone else really thinks of us, only what we THINK or PERCEIVE them to think of us.

uptownsteve said...

Well looky here..

Grand Gragon JMK shows up.

"UTS thinks that “racial dialogue” is him (or "black America") giving "white America" a “talking to.”

What really cracks me up about people like you is how you project.

Race dialogues to people like you are reflexive rants about crime and illegitmacy as if those issues exclusively define black America.

Race dialogues to me mean an honest accessment of still present attitudes on race which affect hiring, profiling, lending and promotions.

People like you want to pretend that it doesn't exist when folks like me have experienced it.

"Bigots like UTS think “low income” and “the poor” are code words for “black,”

You've never heard me make such a statement and this is just another example of your racist demogoguery.

Creating strawmen that are easily knocked down.

Indeed I have constantly made the case that the majority of African-Americans are law abiding middle class citizens whereas racists like you continue to portray our community as lawless and dysfunctional.

uptownsteve said...

"There are grievances on both sides."

What are the two sides?

Black versus white?

Or racist vs non racist?

uptownsteve said...

"UTS thinks that “racial dialogue” is him (or "black America") giving "white America" a “talking to.”

This is the bottom line for racists like JMK.

They can't deal with black people looking them in the eye and saying what's on their minds whether you agree with it or not.

They can't deal with it I tell you.

Conservative Black Woman said...

UTS & JMK~I'm going to start lobbying PSBO to have a "Summit on Racism" with breakout sessions (as he is so adept at organizing) and I'm going to suggest that all of us on this forum should attend since every post leads us to this same discussion..(smile)

uptownsteve said...

CBW,

What kills me about you black righties is that you think that if you talk and walk like a white conservative you become honorary whites.

When people like Charles Murray and Jared Taylor (BOTH CONSERVATIVES) say blacks are less intelligent and more likely to committ crimes, they don't say "exclusing black conservatives".

They don't think any differently about you.

They just don't fear you.

JudyBright said...

Shoot, what group is that gives out the "honorary white person" awards? I can't remember it right now.

I think it's the same one that gives out those honorary degrees.

Conservative Black Woman said...

"What kills me about you black righties is that you think that if you talk and walk like a white conservative you become honorary whites."

RUKM? You really believe that don't you? If I were interested in being an honorary "white" person I certainly wouldn't put my very black face on this blog and I might call this blog something else. You sound like one of those children who tried to taunt me in my childhood by saying I was "acting white". It wasn't true then and it isn't now. In terms of my intellect I couldn't care less what Jared Taylor or Charles Murray says my scholarship speaks for itself (and unlike PSBO if I were running for public office my records wouldn't be sealed) I am quite proud of my brilliance!I would happily take anyone's IQ test...but let me say we aren't doing much to dispel the MYTH of lower intelligence quotients by asking for handicaps in the form or Affirmative action. I know that's a double edge sword so no need to beat me up verbally. For example, as long as we claim "racial bias" on standardized test etc. they will not stop assuming such things about us.

uptownsteve said...

Start with the Bradley Foundation which actually gives out cash awards to conservatives in general with special attention to fools like Ward Connerly who are willing to screw their own people while wearing the biggest grins.

uptownsteve said...

"You sound like one of those children who tried to taunt me in my childhood by saying I was "acting white"."

Let me guess.

They taunted you because you spoke proper English and studied hard.

All you black righties sound the same.

I wonder how I could speak proper English (even taught my sons to as well) graduate from college and flourish in corporate America for 20 years and not once be accused of "acting white"?

Maybe because I never kissed white booty?

And why are you (and JMK) still yapping about affirmative action.

It's been essential dismantled.

Illegal in the largest states, California and Texas.

I've been a sales professional for 20 years and one thing I love about sales is that it is totally objective.

The results are clear and subject to scrutiny.

No standardized tests or whines about AA.

It's all about production.

I compete against whites who may have scored higher on an aptitude test than I but I bet I bring in more revenue for the company consistently.

It's all about performance once you're in the door.

That's it.

Conservative Black Woman said...

UTS~Why aren't you as angry with BET, MTV and record companies for the obscene amount of cash they award to these contemporary minstrels who malign black women and defile the minds of our youth?

You have a problem with a black person who says marry the woman you impregnate or who says to black women stop giving your "stuff" away and showing your body but not with the artist (and I used that term loosely) who calls our daughters bitches and whores and encourage our sons to refer to each others as "niggahs" and kill each other. How absurd! How white does it sound when I say that!!!

Conservative Black Woman said...

I don't know why in the world those stupid fools said that about me nor did I care then or now because it was/is completely DUMB! I vehemently abhor stupidity in people of all races and nationalities.

uptownsteve said...

THIS IS INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is nothing, I mean NOTHING that a white racist can do to us that will make a black conservative stand up and say "No we won't tolerate this."

Everytime an example of racism is given you're going to redirect it somehow to black perceived misbehavior.

What REALLY kills me about you black righties is how you really think that you're the only blacks who carry about stable families, and responsibility.

Sweetheart, I've been married for 22 years and my wife and I have raised two handsome athletic high performing sons.

We also adopted my wife's neice.

She's 9 years old and has been with us for 3 years.

Don't give the crap that responsibility and committment are "acting white" or that any black would suggest that it was.

How dare you.

Conservative Black Woman said...

How dare you? I didn't bring up black pathology except to indict those entities which you conveniently neglect to mention as it pertains to cash awards to malign black people. You mentioned the Bradley Foundation and I mentioned BET!!!!

UTS, a much larger percentage of black people I know and socialize with are like you. Married and raising wonderful intelligent gifted children so please you are not telling me anything that I don't already know!

I referenced those who don't only to ask you why it is you despise the "right" black conservative for compelling those who are not as responsible as you are and you aren't equally as pissed off with the entities and artist who encourage bad behavior and lifestyle choices. I implore you to get off your "high (I blacker than you) horse" and answer the freakin' question!

uptownsteve said...

"I referenced those who don't only to ask you why it is you despise the "right" black conservative for compelling those who are not as responsible as you are and you aren't equally as pissed off with the entities and artist who encourage bad behavior and lifestyle choices."

CBW, pop culture has always been low brow, rebellious and counter-establishment.

The same things that you are saying about hiphop and music videoa was said about the blues, bebop, rock n roll Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry Little Richard etc....

When I was in high school 30 years ago "hot pants" and "The Freak" supposed encouraged "bad behavior" and "poor lifechoices".

I seem to have turned out alright despite the pervasively negative influence of hot pants.

There is no comparison to the likes of Ward Connerly who although having been an Affirmative Action recipient, gleefully takes money from a racist foundation to kill AA programs which do nothing more sinister than help kids get in college.

He will burn in hell.

JMK said...

"What really cracks me up about people like you is how you project.

"Race dialogues to people like you are reflexive rants about crime and illegitmacy as if those issues exclusively define black America..." (UTS)
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Actually, almost all my posts here on economic issues.

In fact, the first time I responded to a post of yours was when you confused the National Debt with the Deficit. CF correctly noted that G W Bush took office with a $5.6 TRILLION National Debt and you responded that he actually inherited a surplus - in fact, the National Debt has only gone up over the past three decades.

Since that time, nearly EVERY comment of yours has excoriated Conservatives as "racists" apparently because of your poor understanding of how economics actually work.

Low taxes and less government intervention are good for ALL people.

YOU relate everything to race/ethnicity and that is offensive to most people I know.

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JMK said...

"I am quite proud of my brilliance!I would happily take anyone's IQ test...but let me say we aren't doing much to dispel the MYTH of lower intelligence quotients by asking for handicaps in the form or Affirmative action....For example, as long as we claim "racial bias" on standardized test etc. they will not stop assuming such things about us." (CBW)
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"And why are you (and JMK) still yapping about affirmative action." (UTS)


Actually, and ironically enough, I haven't mentioned race/gender-based preferences here....AND you never responded to CBW's point, that such preferences inculcate a view of "presumed incompetence" upon the recipient group.
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"It's been essential dismantled.

"Illegal in the largest states, California and Texas. (UTS)


Affirmative Action (as OUTREACH and remedial training) has NOT been touched at all, nor should it, BUT race and gender based preferences have been (at least in many places)...and that's a very GOOD thing for ALL of us! They shouldn't exist.

There has never been an established case of "test bias," because high standards don't discriminate against ANY specific group.
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"There is no comparison to the likes of Ward Connerly who although having been an Affirmative Action recipient, gleefully takes money from a racist foundation to kill AA programs which do nothing more sinister than help kids get in college.

"He will burn in hell." (UTS)
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I don't get it. You don't make ANY arguments in favor of race/gender-based preferences and yet, you seem to support them....WHY???

Look, if you're the salesman you say, then sell me on those preferences, tell me how they help all Americans move forward.

Fact is they DON'T. If there was a good argument in favor of them, you'd have made it already.

They are not only divisive, they are unnecessary crutches that hinders black performance. Many educators are convinced that poor performance on standardized exams in HS andCollege is grounded in the perception that "I only have to outcompete this small group of people."

Preferences like that amount to "pity for those presumed crippled."

I don't accept that blacks are crippled or handicapped, so I don't accept the need for race/gebder-based preferences.

Bottomline, you are obsessed with race, despite the fact that most "poor blacks" in this country have not only greater access to anti-poverty programs, but far more opportunities than the "poor whites" in places like Appalachia.

I worked for two decades in the South Bronx and I've seen a LOT of rural poverty, as well and it's odd that it's primarily the urban poor (of all backgrounds) that embrace this warped "victimology", you rarely see that in the rural poor (of all backgrounds)....and they have it a LOT rougher - less access to anti-poverty programs and far less in the way of local opportunities for work and personal betterment.

D-townRokCTY said...

@ UTS

"They can't deal with black people looking them in the eye and saying what's on their minds whether you agree with it or not."

I Dont have a problem with this...In fact through "Diversity Training" This is often forced on white Americans whether they like it or not...

The real question is can you handle a white person doing the same to you without it being racist.

uptownsteve said...

"Look, if you're the salesman you say, then sell me on those preferences, tell me how they help all Americans move forward."

YOU call them preferences.

I call them the widening of net of candidates, many of whom have been traditionally shut.

AA, as it presently exists, is all about access.

Once you're in the door, it's all about performance.

You don't produce, you get get canned.

No prefential treatment, no slidebyes.

Offering opportunity to those who had previously been shut out not benefits those directly affected but the nation as a whole.

uptownsteve said...

"This is often forced on white Americans whether they like it or not..."

Given that black Americans have gone through diversity training as well, I fail to see how this is a burden exclusively on whites.

"The real question is can you handle a white person doing the same to you without it being racist."

This argument always intrgigues me.

Whether in the media, corporate America, the schools, or the political arena, black people are subject to the sentiments and attitudes of whites.

I really don't see you can suggest that what any white person has to say about race isn't what the average black person has heard hundreds of times before in their lives.

One of the purposes of diversity training and race converations is that white people get to hear what people of color actually think and have experienced.

And THAT seems to be what really offends you.

uptownsteve said...

"Bottomline, you are obsessed with race, despite the fact that most "poor blacks" in this country have not only greater access to anti-poverty programs, but far more opportunities than the "poor whites" in places like Appalachia."

How so?

Please explain this in detail.

What programs are available to poor blacks that aren't to poor whites or anyone other poor?

JMK said...

"UTS & JMK~I'm going to start lobbying PSBO to have a "Summit on Racism" with breakout sessions (as he is so adept at organizing) and I'm going to suggest that all of us on this forum should attend since every post leads us to this same discussion..(smile)" (CBW)


Sadly so.

ALL ethnicity is a hot button topic.

I've known a ton of "professional Irishmen" who still carry a grudge against the British.

To all those who carry such grudges, all I can say is that "living well is the ONLY revenge you can have."

"When's payback"?

There isn't going to ever be any "payback"....not for the Irish from the British, not for the American Indians from the American settler's descendants, not for any of those who seek such "revenge."

Your only "payback" can be found in living well....there really isn't anything more than that.

JMK said...

"YOU call them preferences.

"I call them the widening of net of candidates, many of whom have been traditionally shut.

"AA, as it presently exists, is all about access." (UTS)
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I didn't ask for euphemisms, I asked for a justification.

As I noted and you can look this up, there has never been a proven case of "test bias."

Tom Sowell disected that argument in a number of his books.

In fact, the very idea that high standards "discriminate" against a group of people, or a gender, should be antithetical to anyone with even a shred of self-respect.

Across the country, Civil Service Exams have been continually "dumbed down" and made easier, to the point where a NYC school teacher had a group of mentally challenged students take one NYPD Entrance exam from the 1990s and the majority of that class scored over 70...and all that's been done in the name of "increasing minority hiring."

There's little I can think of that's more demeaning an degrading than that. What's more, within the Civil Service system there's no shortage of black fraternal organizations that support those kinds of things (lawsuits that claim "written exams discriminate against blacks").

The irony there is that the Civil Service exam system began back in the late 19th Century (under the direction of POTUS Chester A Arthur) who sought a way to take Civil Service OUT from the local political "patronage mills" it had been run by, up through that time.

It's that standardized tersting system that allowed historically disenfranchised and despised groups, like blacks, Jews, the Irish and others to be able to get those jobs, which once were the sole domain of the politically connected.

I've never seen a reason for ANY kind of preferences for anyone. Apparently I think more of the innate ability of blacks to compete than you do.

JMK said...

"What programs are available to poor blacks that aren't to poor whites or anyone other poor?" (UTS)
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Again, you're obsessed with race, same as ANY bigot. I spoke of rural vs urban poverty, NOT black vs white.

What I said was a simple truth, that the rural poor (black and white) have LESS access to social programs, a poor delivery system for services and generally fewer opportunities to find work.

That's a sad, yet undeniable fact.

With about 72% of America's poor being white, and an overwhelming majority of them living in rural areas, like Appalachia, the face of rual poverty in America is indeed more light, just as while blacks tend to predominate among the more highly visible, urban poor, the face of urban poverty is appreciably darker.

Bottomline, since I first saw you refer to CF as "Rastas" when YOU were dead wrong (your claiming he was in error over the National Debt at the start of G W Bush's first term, when he was 100% right) and in all your posts since, I haven't seen even a shred of decency from you.

That sets you apart from anyone else here I may have disagreed with.

I've never seen DJBA verbally slime CF or any of those he disagrees with, nor even BK (and I believe he seems to be an even more committed Leftist than yourself). Your vile temperment puts you in a class by yourself.

And the thing of it is, by your own admission, you've done well, you live well....therefor, you've got no reason to see black Conservatives as some kind of "race traitors." So that's merely a symptom of whatever warped pathology you suffer from.

To you, people who believe in lower taxes, less government intrusion in our lives and more individual liberty, you consider to be either "race traitors," or "racists," but the folks who consider blacks "too dumb to compete" - those you find appealing.

The fact that THAT'S what you claim to believe, is in and of itself, just too creepy and disgusting for words.

uptownsteve said...

"What I said was a simple truth, that the rural poor (black and white) have LESS access to social programs, a poor delivery system for services and generally fewer opportunities to find work.

That's a sad, yet undeniable fact."

That you couldn't prove if your life depended on it.

You're just yapping.

uptownsteve said...

"And the thing of it is, by your own admission, you've done well, you live well....therefor, you've got no reason to see black Conservatives as some kind of "race traitors.""

First off I've never used the term "race traitors".

Second off what the hell does the white ass kissing of some confused negroes like CF have to do with my personal success?

What is the correlation?

Thirdly I could give two craps how you feel about me or my "temperment".

You have to get it through your skull that you aren't running anything here nor are you in any position to judge anyone.

"To you, people who believe in lower taxes, less government intrusion in our lives and more individual liberty, you consider to be either "race traitors," or "racists,""

More garbage.

You came on this board ranting about blacks self-segregating, being anti-academic, resentful of success and personal responsibility etc... and that makes you a racist.

Black people who endorse the tripe you spew are Uncle Toms.

This isn't very complicated.

"but the folks who consider blacks "too dumb to compete" - those you find appealing."

You are just an endless stream of sophistry.

My life is a classic example of blacks not just being to compete but to excel when we start from the same place as whites.

Like I mentioned earlier, you are the classic demogogue.

Creating strawmen that you can easily knock down.

BTW racist.

Show me where I "slimed" CBW.

I vehemently disagree with her ideology and many of her statements but I happen to like and respect her personally

uptownsteve said...

"Again, you're obsessed with race, same as ANY bigot. I spoke of rural vs urban poverty, NOT black vs white."

So why did you say this?

"Bottomline, you are obsessed with race, despite the fact that most "poor blacks" in this country have not only greater access to anti-poverty programs, but far more opportunities than the "poor whites" in places like Appalachia."

The bottomline, pal, is that you are little more than a resentful, self-important, nigger hating racist.

You come to blogs like these because these conservative blacks grin in your face, tell you what you want to hear and assure you that you're not a bigot....you're just telling the truth.

Black folks like me are your biggest nightmare.

I don't want your friendship and I damn sure aren't interested in your approval.

If you get in my way you will be dealt with severely.

That's no threat, that's reality.

JMK said...

"What I said was a simple truth, that the rural poor (black and white) have LESS access to social programs, a poor delivery system for services and generally fewer opportunities to find work.

"That's a sad, yet undeniable fact." (JMK)


“That you couldn't prove if your life depended on it.

“You're just yapping.” (UTS)


Really?!

Well, let me start out with this, so that anyone can clearly see that you have absolutely no/zero credibility on anything;

“More than 51 million Americans live in areas classified by the U.S. Office of
Management and Budget (OMB) as rural or non-metropolitan. They comprise one-fifth of the U.S. population. Rural populations are found to be older, poorer, sicker, less educated and to have a perception of worse health status than their urban counterparts. They also have higher infant mortality and injury-related mortality rates, fewer hospital beds and physicians per capita, and are much less likely than urban residents to have private or public health insurance. The rate of uninsured is more than 20 percent higher in rural areas than in urban areas. Fewer rural people enroll in Medicaid. States in the Southwest and Southeast have the highest percentage of uninsured people.


“Health care across the United States in rural areas has its own special problems.

“Take Medicare reimbursements to rural hospitals for example. Unlike our urban relatives and friends, most rural residents and Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries do not have the option to choose another health care provider or to travel a short distance to seek health care services when those in their own community have been eliminated.

“Also, by contrast with America’s recent economic boom, rural areas provide fewer job opportunities and options than urban areas, with the types of jobs offered tending to be part time and minimum wage. Low-population densities in rural areas hinder the development of workplace supports and infrastructure (education and training, childcare, public transportation).

“And fewer "safety net services," special health care, shelters and soup kitchens are available in rural areas.”

http://www.ncrlc.com/ncrlc-RP-webpages/rural_poverty.html

Does that help?

I swear, while this WAS somewhat ironic, it was NOT a set-up in any way.
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“First off I've never used the term "race traitors".

”Second off what the hell does the white ass kissing of some confused negroes like CF have to do with my personal success?” (UTS)
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Calling Conservative blacks “buck dancing Uncle Toms”, “Rastas”, etc. is the same as calling them “race traitors.”

And your own success only highlights why you have no reason to feel so threatened and angered by people who you disagree with.
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All I’m doing is talking/dialoguing with you...I'm not trying to “run anything.”

And actually, I very much AM in a position to judge others, in fact we ALL are...we all make hundreds of judgments about others every day.
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“You came on this board ranting about blacks self-segregating, being anti-academic, resentful of success and personal responsibility etc... and that makes you a racist.” (UTS)


Actually, I came on this board correcting YOU (about your confusion over DEBT and DEFICIT) based on your vile reaction to CF, who was 100% right in the point he made.

Ironically enough, it’s been YOU who’s injected race into every single discussion here.
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“Black people who endorse the tripe you spew are Uncle Toms.” (UTS)


Yeah, “race traitors” AGAIN!

You ARE at least consistent, if unimaginative.
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“Show me where I "slimed" CBW.

“I vehemently disagree with her ideology and many of her statements but I happen to like and respect her personally.” (UTS)


Never said you “slimed CBW”, so that’s yet ANOTHER non sequitor on your part. What I DID say was; “Bottomline, since I first saw you refer to CF as "Rastas" when YOU were dead wrong (your claiming he was in error over the National Debt at the start of G W Bush's first term, when he was 100% right) and in all your posts since, I haven't seen even a shred of human decency from you.

"That sets you apart from anyone else here I may have disagreed with.

“I've never seen DJBA verbally slime CF or any of those he disagrees with, nor even BK (and I believe he seems to be an even more committed Leftist than yourself). Your vile temperament puts you in a class by yourself.”

That’s ALL true, UTS, you’ve as much as reveled in your own belligerence, so don’t stop now.

You’re the only poster here who’s consistently responded to others, especially black posters YOU don’t approve of, with insults and personal attacks.
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Hardly.

You’re a middle-aged office worker, living comfortably in suburban MD. I’m happy for you, very happy for you, in fact, but you’re no “threat” to me. I mean, I don’t have any designs on what you have, in fact, I’ve assiduously avoided office work and the 9 to 5 my entire life, and I’m quite certain you have no designs on anything I have.

If you’d have wanted to crawl into burning South Bronx tenements, I can only assume you’d have done so long ago.
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Uhhhh OK, I haven’t offered either, though neither have you, so I guess we’re even, on that score, right?
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“If you get in my way you will be dealt with severely.

”That's no threat, that's reality.” (UTS)
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Like I’ve said before, I’ve always been loathe to anger middle-aged office workers, in fact, there’s nothing I try to avoid more than that...BUT why and how would we “get in each other’s way?” For the life of me, I really can’t see how.

And why would you want some kind of physical confrontation with me?

I’m actually a VERY nice guy who always seeks to avoid that sort of thing. Besides, you’re a middle-aged office worker, maybe you workout in a gym every once in awhile, whereas I’ve spent most of my life forcing doors with a pry bar, cutting roofs with an saws and axes. I’ve spent my career working outdoors under the harshest conditions – the coldest of nights and the hottest and most humid of days getting between others and the fires that threaten them.

I’ve earned my living using my body to help others...I would never want to physically harm anyone else.

Why would you?

uptownsteve said...

"Does that help"

No actually it doesn't racist because once again YOU SAID

"most "poor blacks" in this country have not only greater access to anti-poverty programs, but far more opportunities than the "poor whites" in places like Appalachia."

Then you went on a rant about rural healthcare.

"You’re the only poster here who’s consistently responded to others, especially black posters YOU don’t approve of, with insults and personal attacks."

Sorry wrong again.

The only poster here whom I've personally attacked aside from Constructive Feedback, who is widely know throughout the blogoshpere as a groveling racist apologist was YOU.

"I’ve earned my living using my body to help others...I would never want to physically harm anyone else."

I didn't mention anything about physical confrontation.

You are letting your racist imagination of muscular young black bucks taking advantage of you run wild.

You're a laugh a minute buddy.

A total caricature.

uptownsteve said...

JMK spews........


"Ironically enough, it’s been YOU who’s injected race into every single discussion here."

Oh really?

After he barfs this filth........


"Uhhhh, because, as Larry Elder(among others have astutely noted) "blacks are more racist than whites?"

"I don't think, I KNOW that Elder's right on that one. I worked in the South Bronx for nearly 20 years and I can attest that that's true, although I'd phrase it "blacks are more color-conscious and bigoted than whites."

In the South Bronx, American-born blacks reviled those lighter and darker than themselves, they reviled black immigrants from Africa and the Carribean for "acting white" (studying hard and not speaking in street slang)."

"Sadly, none of that is something "imposed on that ethnic group from the outside (ie. by whites)" - all that ethnic bigotry is all theirs...and far too many of them revel in it."

Boy do I LOVE exposing arrogant racists.

JMK said...

“No actually it doesn't racist because once again YOU SAID.

"most "poor blacks" in this country have not only greater access to anti-poverty programs, but far more opportunities than the "poor whites" in places like Appalachia." (UTS)


Actually, and ACCURACY IS important here, what I said (and what YOU referred to) was indeed a very simple truth, one born out by that document I linked to, “that the rural poor (black and white) have LESS access to social programs, a poor delivery system for services and generally fewer opportunities to find work.”

Look it up.

Oh wait!

It’s right there, at the top of the previous (11:18 AM) post of mine.

The topic is rural vs urban poverty, and the fact that the face of American urban poverty is generally darker, while the face of American rural poverty much lighter, only proves my earlier point about those (like you) who only focus on urban poverty, being blind to a group of poor (the rural poor) who suffer much more.

Since MOST poor blacks tend to live in urban environs and most poor whites tend to live in more rural ones, even my earlier assertion that "MOST "poor blacks" in this country have not only greater access to anti-poverty programs, but far more opportunities than the "poor whites" in places like Appalachia" would seem to have been borne out by that linked document.

If you can find anything that asserts something different, by all means offer it.

In your case, your concerns seem consistent with your overall attitude - they are entirely race-based, because you are a racial bigot to your core.
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No? I really don’t think there’s any other way of construing this embarassing, silliness from you, “If you get in my way you will be dealt with severely.”

That's not even "vaguely threatening UTS," that's a palpable threat.

What I still can't figure out is, WHY?

Aside from noting your obvious racial bigotry and overall nasty demeanor, I haven't called you or anyone else any names nor threatened anyone. In fact, I live to help, which was what I've tried to do for you from the start....remember? Debt vs Deficit???

Seriously, that's some valuable information.
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Hardly, in fact, I've been very gracious. I kindly responded to you that “I’ve always been loathe to anger middle-aged office workers...” and correct me, if I'm wrong here, but I don’t think terms like “muscular” and “young” fit very well with “middle-aged office worker,” do you?

I mean I'm not misrepresenting you as a "middle-aged office worker" am I?

Office work is certainly highly respectable work and middle-age is something we automatically reach, once we get past a certain point...so I think I'm only guilty of being accurate in that case. I can assure you, no offense was intended. I don't traffic in that sort of thing, in fact, I always post exactlky as I would put things if I were exchanging views in person a rule that's served me well online.

uptownsteve said...

My bad.

I admit to insulting Conservative Brother and I don't take back a word.

JMK said...

How does the Larry Elder quote and my own observations appear "racist" to you?

Elder's comments are what they are, and they are in my and many others (black & white) true, but they're NOT malicious in any way, nor are they evidence of any racial or ethnic animus.

I really don't get your issue with that.

uptownsteve said...

Okay racist.

What "social programs" are you speaking of?

"No? I really don’t think there’s any other way of construing this embarassing, silliness from you, “If you get in my way you will be dealt with severely.”"

Verbally put in your place, maybe?

Are you obsessed with being beat up by black men? LOL!!!!

"Aside from noting your obvious racial bigotry and overall nasty demeanor,"

Gee Mr. Charlie I'm so sad you don't like but as you can see I don't really give two craps either.

And guess what racist?

I'm going to go post for post with you as long as you like.

You're not the first self-absorbed white bigot on these boards who puffed his chest out, slipped his thumbs through his belt loops, deepened his voice and bellowed "Don't worry, I'll take care of this troublesome negro for you!"


And everytime when I'm finishe with them they're rolling their index fingers across their lips and babaling aimlessly.

LOL!!!!

uptownsteve said...

"How does the Larry Elder quote and my own observations appear "racist" to you?"

Because it's not based on any facts but only your racist feelings and Elder's race pimping.

That's whats so amazing about like you.

You are so self-righteous in your racism.

JMK said...

"What "social programs" are you speaking of?" (UTS)


Hmmmm, I guess I have to recap that article for you?

OK, here's the abridged version, in which it clearly documents the widely KNOWN FACT that the rural poor in America suffer from less access to jobs, education, healthcare and social services than do the urban poor.

That's been documented for decades now.

"Rural populations are found to be older, poorer, sicker, less educated and to have a perception of worse health status than their urban counterparts. They also have higher infant mortality and injury-related mortality rates, fewer hospital beds and physicians per capita, and are much less likely than urban residents to have private or public health insurance. The rate of uninsured is more than 20 percent higher in rural areas than in urban areas. Fewer rural people enroll in Medicaid.

"By contrast with America’s recent economic boom, rural areas provide fewer job opportunities and options than urban areas, with the types of jobs offered tending to be part time and minimum wage.

“And fewer "safety net services," special health care, shelters and soup kitchens are available in rural areas.”


http://www.ncrlc.com/ncrlc-RP-webpages/rural_poverty.html

Look, it's OK that you didn't know the facts about America's rural poor. What you CAN'T do is to deny documented facts, espeically since there is no evidence to suggest that the facts are different than what I've posted and documented right here.
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"Because it's not based on any facts but only your racist feelings and Elder's race pimping." (UTS)


No, they're based on our observations, the same observations that CBW shared on these very boards.

Those observations, in and of themselves, have no racial or ethnic animus behind them.
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Actually, I've been nothing but kind and patient with you UTS, just as I would in person with ANYone.

Whereas I KNOW for a FACT that you (a pudgy, middle-aged office worker) would not insult or aggressively posture with me in person. You can take that to the bank, you wouldn't.

Moreover, I seem to have a lot more faith in you than you do, I sense that in person, you're a mild mannered, polite fellow, as any successful salesman must be.

The quizzical thing to me is why you've chosen not to use those verbal skills that every salesman needs and relies upon to make your points here.

It would certainly seem to be a better strategy for getting your views across and getting a fair hearing for them.

uptownsteve said...

"Whereas I KNOW for a FACT that you (a pudgy, middle-aged office worker) would not insult or aggressively posture with me in person. You can take that to the bank, you wouldn't."

I'm hardly pudgy racist and if you want to find what I'm about, just drop me a line at vaughnfair@aol.com and we can make arrangements.

And since when have they started putting computers on pryed roofs?

uptownsteve said...

“And fewer "safety net services," special health care, shelters and soup kitchens are available in rural areas.”


LOL!!!!!

There a special health care center on every corner in the hood I guess.

You're so full of crap it's pathetic.

uptownsteve said...

"No, they're based on our observations, the same observations that CBW shared on these very boards."

CBW is a very confused person and you're a racist.

Dude, in my own family the complexions range from alabaster to purple.

You don't make any sense.

uptownsteve said...

"blacks are more color-conscious and bigoted than whites."

I guess that's why when I was growing up black people who ventured into white Bronx neighborhoods like Mt. Carmel and Bedford PArk were within inches of their lives if not killed.

SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACKS WALKING THROUGH WHITE NEIGHBORHOODS.

JMK said...

The disparities between the rural and urban poor have long been established, documented and recognized, you make yourself look foolish (that is "more foolish") by denying those very real disparities.

And what "arrangements" are you talking about? You're not being very clear.

Like I said, NO ONE has ever had a problem with me in person....I really am that nice a guy. Don't just take my word for it, everybody says so.

And you're a salesman of some kind.....I'm just wondering why you can't sell your own ideas and views more effectively, that's all.

uptownsteve said...

"The disparities between the rural and urban poor have long been established, documented and recognized, you make yourself look foolish (that is "more foolish") by denying those very real disparities."

Aww you're full of dung and just trying to establish another racist contention that blacks are getting something they don't deserve over whites.

"And what "arrangements" are you talking about? You're not being very clear."

You wanna meet face to face to find out how I will approach you, don't you?

I was very clear.

JMK said...

"Aww you're full of dung and just trying to establish another racist contention that blacks are getting something they don't deserve over whites." (UTS)
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I noted a simple fact about the predominant groups in each, also noting the overlap - there are urban poor whites and rural poor blacks....once again, it's YOU who are injecting race into a topic.
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"I was very clear." (UTS)


I told you, I KNOW how you'd approach me.

The anonymity of the net effects some people....a bit differently. They take on personas that are not their own.

I respond the same well mannered and helpful way in person or on the net.

And as I said, "I sense that in person, you're a mild mannered, polite fellow, as any successful salesman must be."


"CBW is a very confused person and you're a racist." (UTS)


I don't think so.....ever consider that maybe it's YOU who is confused?

Consider this, the Obama administration is looking at raising income tax rates on "those earning over $250,000/year (that's less than 2% of Americans, so they may ultimately have to raise taxes on the top 10% of income earners, which starts at around $109,000/year.

Higher incomes are almost ALWAYS the result of differing labor costs in high cost-of-living areas, like the metro NYC area, the metro D.C. area, San Francisco, L.A., etc.

For instance, $123,000/year in NYC has the equivalent purchasing power as $60,000/tear in Atlanta or Houston.

What all that means is tax CUTS for the folks in places like North and South Dakota, the Carolinas, Nevada, Wyoming, which have a much larger percentage of whites and tax hikes for places like the NYC metro area, the Baltimore/Virginia corridor around the D.C. area, San Francisco, Boston and other locales that have a larger percentage of blacks.

I didn't take you for someone who supported tax CUTS for largely white locales and tax hikes on areas with larger black populations.

Anonymous said...

Would understand if the brits were annoyed with barack or his organising team.why is michelle getting the stick for this?JUST TARGET THE WOMAN. LOL