Thursday, March 19, 2009

"I Am Responsible. The Buck Stops With Me"


PSBO's teleprompter prompted him to say last night "I am responsible. The buck stops with me" and CNN's Roland Martin said this morning on The Tom Joyner Morning Show (I have no choice as a morning drive passenger) finds a way to impune the Bush Administration by saying and I'm paraphrasing....President Bush and Cheney would never have been classy or noble enough to admit culpability." Incredible!!!

I also learned this morning from the TJMS that PSBO acolytes are on a mission to correct anyone who doesn't show appropriate "respect" for him by calling him President Obama whenever referring to him. Apparently, it is an act of racism if a white person doesn't say President Barack Obama every single time they utter his name and if a person of color neglects to do so well then it's extreme insolence and needs to be nipped immediately. I wish people who perpetuate this type of bull crap would show more care not to expose the smallness of their minds and concentrate on the multiplicity of substantive issues as they pertain to President Barack Obama.

49 comments:

DJ Black Adam said...

@CBW:

Well, I know SOME Whites and Blacks who go out of their way to not give Barack his propers....whatever the reason may be....

Digital Publius said...

"I wish people who perpetuate this type of bull crap would show more care not to expose the smallness of their minds and concentrate on the multiplicity of substantive issues as they pertain to President Barack Obama."

You're asking an awful lot there CBW.

DJ Black Adam said...

CBW Said: "I wish people who perpetuate this type of bull crap would show more care not to expose the smallness of their minds and concentrate on the multiplicity of substantive issues as they pertain to President Barack Obama."

Digital said: "You're asking an awful lot there CBW."

Yeah, like Conservatives who need to stop trying to prove President Obama was not born in the USA, or that he is a descendent of Joseph Stalin, or hopeing that he should "fail"...etc., etc., maybe you righties can practice what you preach...for once...

uptownsteve said...

"Yeah, like Conservatives who need to stop trying to prove President Obama was not born in the USA, or that he is a descendent of Joseph Stalin, or hopeing that he should "fail"...etc., etc., maybe you righties can practice what you preach...for once..."

Thank you.

They're such phonies.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

"They're such phonies."

All Ted Haggards ready to happen at a moments notice. As they say in the Church of God in Christ: (insert organ hits in between dramatic pauses)

I heard, a preacher say...

(organ hit)

That all have sinned and come short (hummh)

(organ hit, deacon says “well”)

Of the glory of God (hummh)

(organ hit, amens from the congregation)

Let a man EXAMINE Himself (hummh)

(organ hit, more amens)

And I heard a preacher say (hunnmh)

Remove the PLANK from your eye

Before you seek to remove the speck in your borther’s eye

(Organ vamp out, people saying Amen, dancing, etc….)

Oh Glory! (speaking in tongues, preacher wiping forehead with white cloth)

Conservative Black Woman said...

I'm hearing the voice of Ronald Reagan in my head saying......"My Goodness".

I guess Digital Publius is correct I'm asking too much. Pardon me UTS and DJBA...carry on.

DJ Black Adam said...

@CBW:

"I guess Digital Publius is correct I'm asking too much. Pardon me UTS and DJBA...carry on."

Oh come now CBW, it amazes me you can point out stuff with people like Tom Joyner, but ignor the same type of lunacy with people like Sean Hannity...

Jus saying...

uptownsteve said...

"it amazes me you can point out stuff with people like Tom Joyner, but ignor the same type of lunacy with people like Sean Hannity..."

If I live to be 100 years old I'll never understand black people ready to throw themselves under a bus for white racists and then turn around viciously attack THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

Now CBW, surprise me with a speech about how God and ideology come before race with you.

If you moved next door to Sean Hannity, he'd be the first one throwing rocks through your window.

brotherkomrade said...

As the TRUTH about Hannity has been revealed, it wouldn't be rocks, but burning crosses.

Conservative Black Woman said...

"Now CBW, surprise me with a speech about how God and ideology come before race with you."

UTS~God certainly does and I am completely unapologetic about. I care about how HE perceives me. I'm not sure why you would be surprised you know where I stand on that.

DJBA~What you fail to understand is that I agree with you about "extremes" on both ends of the political spectrum. But this "make sure you say President" issue is just trivial!

Again, whether or not Hannity, Rush, Beck, are racist...Well, I guess I will never know unless they say something racist but unlike you guys I don't assume that all white conservatives are racist....sorry. Sorry for wanting black folks to think critically about an issue other than racism because it doesn't serve us well and it just pitiable that grown ups are so consumed with something as dumb as semantics regarding PresidentObama.

uptownsteve said...

CBW

I also notice that you willl never acknowledge a white racist no matter how much evidence is presented to you (unless it is a white Democrat) but you were quick the other to point out totally racist black people are.

WHY????????????

DJ Black Adam said...

@CBW:

"Well, I guess I will never know unless they say something racist but unlike you guys I don't assume that all white conservatives are racist...."

I'm sorry, I don't recall saying White Conservatives a re "racist", unless you're saying that Hannity is representative of the average White Conservative?

JudyBright said...

I noticed that the mainstream media referred to President Bush as "Mr. Bush" quite a bit. I found it annoying and they've continued it with President Obama as far as I can tell.

I don't think it matters in casual conversation, since people will probably just refer to his last name to keep it short, but supposed professionals should say "President" rather than "Mr." It's unprofessional not to.

I'm sure Obama's followers always said "President" when they referred to Bush. Man I love hypocrisy.

Conservative Black Woman said...

UTS~I'm not sure I have ever even called YOU racist. That's not a moniker I throw around because I believe that racism is a sinful human heart condition and since we are all sinful humans anyone is suceptible to having racist thoughts now and then-- even me. However, I try and crucify my flesh and bring my thoughts under the subjection. Now I will concede the you may have been called that on this forum but not from me (except perhaps the time I called you everything except a child of God when I first met you). Actually what you are saying isn't true because I told you about my experience with the unapologetic racist Hal Turner...HAL TURNER IS A RACIST. When I run across another one I'll be sure to blog about it. Okay?

DJBA you write:"I'm sorry, I don't recall saying White Conservatives are "racist", unless you're saying that Hannity is representative of the average White Conservative?"

Well, ok if I wrongly accused you I apologize.

uptownsteve said...

"UTS~I'm not sure I have ever even called YOU racist."

Why would you?

Can you present an example of a remotely racist state from me?

And this was your statement about us racist black folks.

" Oh yes, I forgot..."black people can't be racist" well I've got news for you DJBA we are very, very racist and we both know it."

I swear that I just don't get it.

Especially after you DEFENDED that racist POS JMK!!!!!

What is it CBW?

Were you beaten up a lot as a child?

Conservative Black Woman said...

UTS~We are! What the heck are you smoking? White folks are too! PEOPLE ARE RACIST that's my point UTS!!! It's hypocritical of us to impune whites as being racist ALL THE TIME and we never let it go!!! Good grief!

Pah-leez, I don't have to defend anyone on this thread. Everyone here is articulate enough to hold there own... and that too was the point of my comment to DJBA that JMK isn't simple-minded. Neither are you, him, or anyone else here. So I guess it's bootlickin' to state the obvious if the subject is white.

And no I wasn't beat up as a kid because my parents didn't allow me hang out with kids unless they knew their parents, I went to a private school in VA (I lived in SE DC), and I belonged to Jack & Jill. So, I wasn't around the type of children who settled their difference by fighting. So.....anymore questions Buttface?

uptownsteve said...

Buttface?

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Conservative Black Woman said...

LOL LOL LOL, I was trying not to call you something harsher! Give me a break.

uptownsteve said...

C'mon CBW you know you're still my girl.

DJ Black Adam said...

@CBW:

"...and that too was the point of my comment to DJBA that JMK isn't simple-minded..."

That is a matter of perspective....

brotherkomrade said...

Sean Hannity and Hal Turner

Poor me, it's always up to me to educate you right-wingers

Conservative Black Woman said...

Gee Thank you BK what would we do without you. So since Hal Turner an unapologetic racist says (as if he has credibility with me)that he is Sean Hannity's friend then I should renounce MY conservative values because Sean Hannity maybe racist?

What you gentleman are missing here is that Sean Hannity is not my mouthpiece, my idol, or perveyor of my thoughts therefore his "sin" problem (alleged racism) as nothing to do with what believe to be true. I believe in choosing life over death, I believe that marriage is a sacred covenant between man, woman and God....etc. I will not support candidates or party who will not represent my interests and uphold policies that I think are detrimental not only to black people by society at large (PERIOD)!!!

JudyBright said...

Thanks BK,

That was overwhelmingly convincing evidence. i am overwhelmed right now...zzzzzzz

brotherkomrade said...

"then I should renounce MY conservative values because Sean Hannity maybe racist? "

Yes, CBW and you're welcome.

And you are welcome as well, Judy.
I understand your tendency to fall asleep when confronted with truth and facts. I do the same when people start quoting scripture.

Blair said...

I think the protocol is: In an article, news piece or cnversation, first reference is President Obama then you can simply say Obama or President for the rest of the article. When addressing the president directly, it's Mr. President or Mr. Obama. Often people who overlook major things will be sticklers for minor trifles. The "Mr." , "Mrs." thing is sensitive because Old South Dems refused to address blacks as Mr. or Mrs. as a symbol of disrespect.

DJ Black Adam said...

@BrotherKomrade:

"I do the same when people start quoting scripture."

I heard a preacher say: "...He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me..."

Harden not your heart from truth even if you may not like the messenger Tovarisch...

Constructive Feedback said...

CBW:

You must place all of this into perspective. Barack Obama's present willingness to say "My Bad" AS WELL AS the motions of "openness in government" per his decisions to release certain Bush memos and purported to be willing to do the same with his own.......

ONLY shows that AT PRESENT....Barack Obama DOESN'T HAVE MUCH ON HIS PLATE where people would ATTACK HIM for the purposes of SINKING HIM!!!!


Thus CBW - don't judge Obama by HIS notation of how he "screwed up".

Instead you must wait a few years until INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS and/or CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT find some things that the Administration was not above board on.

THEN and only then can we make a fair judgment on Obama's will to take ownership of a matter.

After all Bush accepted the blame for the problems with the Hurricane Katrina response several weeks after he was receiving sustained attacks. Thus there is a key difference between saying the words and dodging the torpedoes and buckshots that are coming your way from people seeking to sink your ship.


Roland Martin is a fatally damaged political operative.

(Did you see Joy Bayheart of "The View" on Good Morning America today? She has a new book for kids in which a figure in the mold of Barack Obama gets people to work together as he shows them the errors in their ways).

Christie said...

Hannity is nothing like Tom Joyner-if Hannity were to say anything like "ask the white man" or the other idiocy that passes for good media on "URBAN" radio-he'd be moved off of the TV...I'm sick to death of Barack Obama and his idiots and I'm VERY sick and tired of all this political correctness-good grief-folks spent 8 years calling Bush everything except a white guy-but if we don't call Obama PRESIDENT??? HELLO...Seriously-we ALL need to get a grip and realize that the OBAMINATION that is going on right now is not what we want-I cannot wait till all the "first black" hype wears off and we finally start dealing with the reality of the situation given to us by Clinton/Bush/Obama...

DJ Black Adam said...

@Christie:

"I cannot wait till all the "first black" hype wears off and we finally start dealing with the reality of the situation given to us by Clinton/Bush/Obama.."

Obama has been in office less than Three months, catch a clue...

JudyBright said...

So BK,

Are you calling Scripture "truth and fact"?

;-)

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]I'm sick to death of Barack Obama and his idiots and I'm VERY sick and tired of all this political correctness-good grief-folks spent 8 years calling Bush everything except a white guy-but if we don't call Obama PRESIDENT???[/quote]

Christie:

The "You can't hit a guy with glasses" strategy is a very effective one.

Using the fact that Barack Obama is Black and thus is off limits for attack lest THE ATTACK BE A RACIST or an UNCLE TOM is nothing more than an attempt by some to ramrod their agenda through unchallenged.

The NAACP has mastered this tactic in recent years. They portray themselves as the "Red Cross" on the battle field. Though indeed they be on the field of battle...the markings on their helmet show that they are medics rather than fighters. It is only when you pay close attention that you see that below their helmet is the UNIFORM OF THE DEMOCRATS and that they pick up a grenade launcher, fire their shot and then throw it to the ground. Upon return fire - they claim once again....."you can't hit a guy with glasses".....or YOU ARE A HATE FILLED RACIST.

I say that we should inspect the hands of the NAACP and other BQPFRC organizations for GUN POWDER RESIDUE.


You are too correct with your notation that the vile elements of the left had no barriers set against them with respect to evil Bush.

Ironically there is a bit of "non-White White Supremacy" in the acts of the bigoted Blacks who operate in this mode. You see the fact that George W Bush was called a monkey was of no consequence for HE IS A WHITE MAN. When some operative Blacks saw a cartoon that even made the slightest inference to Barack Obama - the Black guy in charge.....these same Black inferiorists were able to stitch ideas together in their mind and they saw the figurative image of Barack Obama laying on the ground as the massacred chimp.

One has to make note of the perversion of how the attributes of a monkey only stuck to the Black guy - IN THEIR MINDS.

It is important to thus consider THEIR MINDS and how it functions.

uptownsteve said...

The bottom line is that these Toms...errr.......black conservatives are really offended by a black man being the leader of the free world!!!!

"Massa sposed to be in charge"

It defies belief.

DJ Black Adam said...

@Uptown:

""Massa sposed to be in charge"

It defies belief.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

DJ Black Adam said...

@Conservative Feedback:

"You see the fact that George W Bush was called a monkey was of no consequence for HE IS A WHITE MAN."

(flag thrown) False equivalence. 5 yard penalty.

Sure it was an insult, and is to call anyone an ape or chimp or whatever. BUT you know damn well there is another dimension in that when referring to an African American in the US, because of the reality of slavery and social Darwinism in the West.

Come on man, you make some good points here and there and seem genuinely sincere for the most part…

uptownsteve said...

"Sure it was an insult, and is to call anyone an ape or chimp or whatever."

On top of that, I challenge CF to produce one example of a mainstream, corporate media outlet like the NY Post person referring to Bush as a chimp.

Take all the time you need hoss.

uptownsteve said...

"Hannity is nothing like Tom Joyner-if Hannity were to say anything like "ask the white man" or the other idiocy that passes for good media on "URBAN" radio-he'd be moved off of the TV."

Actually it's ask "de white man".

And Hannity doesn't have to SAY anything overtly racist.

He goes the passive-aggressive route like providing a forum for white supremacist Hal Turner.

Or his regular guest that repulsive lawn jockey Jesse Lee Peterson who spews garbage like "most black men are weak", "why are black women so mean" "most blacks are racist" and then Hannity can feign shock and surprise all the while snickering.

Pat Buchanan, Bill Bennett and Bill O'Reilly all have paper and electronic trails of vile racism yet they're still on the air.

What color is the sky in your world?

JMK said...

"I swear that I just don't get it.

"Especially after you DEFENDED that racist POS JMK!!!!!" (UTS)
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Being called a “racist” by a confirmed bigot like yourself is a badge of honor UTS.

There IS, without question some residual racial bigotry (“racism”) still alive in America today, but increasingly it looks like this;

Elect a crazy council, get crazy results

Detroit News.com
Sunday, March 1, 2009
Nolan Finley

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090301/OPINION03/903010308/1008/OPINION01


My hopes for Detroit's future faded as I watched the tape of last Tuesday's council meeting, the one that considered the Cobo Center expansion deal.

It was a tragic circus, a festival of ignorance that confirmed the No. 1 obstacle to Detroit's progress is the bargain basement leaders that city voters elect. The black nationalism that is now the dominant ideology of the council was on proud display, both at the table and in the audience.

Speakers advocating for the deal were taunted by the crowd and cut short by Council President Monica Conyers, who presided over the hearing like an angry bulldog; whites were advised by the citizens to, "Go home."

Opponents were allowed to rant and ramble on uninterrupted about "those people" who want to steal Detroit's assets and profit from the city's labors.

A pitiful Teamster official who practically crawled to the table on his knees expressing profuse respect for this disrespectful body was battered by both the crowd and the council.

When he dared suggest that an improved Cobo Center would create more good-paying jobs for union workers, Conyers reminded him, "Those workers look like you; they don't look like me."

Desperate, he invoked President Barack Obama's message of unity and was angrily warned, "Don't you say his name here."

Juxtapose the place and the faces and imagine a white Livonia City Council treating a black union representative with such overt racial hostility. The Justice Department would swoop down like a hawk, and the Rev. Al Sharpton would clog Five Mile Road with protesters.

But in Detroit, dealing with the council's bigotry is part of the cost of doing business. As is dealing with its incompetence. (I'll pause here and excuse from that indictment Sheila Cockrel and Brenda Jones, who supported the Cobo deal, as did Kwame Kenyatta, who although he's an avowed nationalist, most often votes in the city's best interests.)


A video of a meeting on the Kobo Convention Center is here:

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=3223

See minutes 12 thru 16:40 for the exchange between Monica Conyers and the teamsters Union leader


So, it seems that Detroit’s City Council has sunk to the level of the American South circa 1940s.

BUT that is not an isolated incident;

“Ike Brown is a legend in Mississippi politics, a fast-talking operative both loved and hated for his ability to turn out black voters and get his candidates into office.

That success has also landed him at the heart of a federal lawsuit that’s about to turn the Voting Rights Act on its head.

For the first time, the Justice Department is using the 1965 law to allege racial discrimination against whites.

Brown, head of the Democratic Party in Mississippi’s rural Noxubee County, is accused of waging a campaign to defeat white voters and candidates with tactics including intimidation and coercion. Also named in the lawsuit is Circuit Clerk Carl Mickens, who has agreed to refrain from rejecting white voters’ absentee ballots considered defective while accepting similar ballots from black voters.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12597671/


OR INCIDENTS like this; http://www.amren.com/ar/2007/07/index.html#cover

OR this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Wpi0MpUTI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2

OR this; http://www.wlwt.com/news/18965839/detail.html


I just finished re-watching The Pursuit of Happyness the Chris Gardner story about a guy who’d made a bad investment in a high definition bone density scanner that offered a slightly better picture than an X-Ray at twice the price and failed, losing his wife and winding up homeless with a young son and how he came to overcome all that by both shear personal effort and a positive, grateful attitude, which is what really seems to be the key to HAPPINESS.

Gratitude.

Gratitude for another day, since not a minute’s time is promised to any of us.

Gratitude for any opportunity, since you can’t see or take advantage of an opportunity you don’t appreciate and are grateful for.

In Gardner’s case, he showed up at his initial interview straight from jail for a scofflaw violation, dressed, as he was the night before when he was painting his apartment.

Through his charm and the vouching for him by a white stock broker who’d recommended him, he was given a spot in the competitive internship program.

He excelled in that program and was judged fairly by those same white executives and given a position at Dean Whitter. Apparently THEY, like he, held on to no racial animus or distrust and both took opportunities where they found it – they seeing a highly skilled and motivated worker in him and he seeing a golden opportunity for himself with that firm.

Gardner’s story is one of millions of such examples of how the market-based economy affords more opportunities to more people, at least those grateful for and appreciative of opportunities and willing to express that gratitude in effort.

It’s certainly far different in today’s sub-Saharan African, where they’re still burning witches. Apparently sub-Saharan Africa has now progressed to about the level of the U.S. circa 1640!

http://www.inewsit.com/video/gallery/Five-people-suspected-to-be-witchcrafts-were-bruterly-murded-in-kisii-Nyamataro-Village

Wise up UTS, and get past your own deep seated racial animosities.

JMK said...

"Sean Hannity and Hal Turner

"Poor me, it's always up to me to educate you right-wingers" (BK)
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You’re going to have to try a lot harder than quoting the Daily Kos, BK.

The Daily Kos is a hate sit that allows unfiltered content by a host of unhinged and emotionally disturbed contributors.

In the article referenced, there isn’t any proof offered of any personal link between Hal Turner and Sean Hannity.

Hal Turner claims that he’d sell some alleged tapes he has of some “friendly/cordial on and off-air conversations” he’s had with Sean Hannity. He initially offered them for $100,000, now it’s $250,000.

No takers? Apparently not.

Almost certainly because there’s nothing of substance there.

Sean Hannity has had “friendly/cordial” on and off-air conversations with the likes of Quannel-X and the late Khalid Mohammed, but Hannity certainly doesn’t seem to endorse the views of the New Black Panther Party nor the vile NOI, any more than he’s endorsed the views of Hal Turner.

Moreover, Hal Turner’s inciteful and hate-filled speech is PROTECTED SPEECH, protected by the SAME First Amendment that protects the inciteful and hate-filled speech of the likes of Quannel-X and other hate-mongers.

It kinds goes like this, in America, people like UTS are free to embrace and espouse their own race-hatred, they are NOT allowed to act on it – to discriminate, assault or otherwise act on those views. Those ACTS, unlike that speech are NOT PROTECTED and are punishable as criminal acts.

No one is going to make the argument that “Turner’s hate is criminal, while Quannel-X’s hate is OK,” you can bank on that.

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DJ Black Adam said...

@JMK:

"Moreover, Hal Turner’s inciteful and hate-filled speech is PROTECTED SPEECH, protected by the SAME First Amendment that protects the inciteful and hate-filled speech of the likes of Quannel-X and other hate-mongers."

The very fact that you attempt to equate Hal Turner to Quannel-X by their common denomiator of "hate speech" is indicative of your overall lack of sociological understanding of the reality of race in America says the pseudo-elitist to the faux intellectual..

JMK said...

"The very fact that you attempt to equate Hal Turner to Quannel-X by their common denomiator of "hate speech" is indicative of your overall lack of sociological understanding of the reality of race in America..." (DJBA)
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Look, I'm trying hard (VERY hard) to ignore the straight up racial bigotry inherant in that remark), FACT is Quannel-X's and the NOI's racial hatred is even LESS legitimate (ie. rationalized by historical context) and MORE of a problem than Hal Turner's, because "minority bigotry against a majority" (like what went on in pre-apartheid South Africa) is LESS sustainable amd MORE incendiary than the reverse.

In short, overt black bigotry invites a hideous backlash that I'm certain none of us here want to see.

Please, PLEASE refrain from defending an overt black racial bigotry that is both unsustainable and self-destructive, as that's completely unworthy of rational thought, let alone "an elite viewpoint."

uptownsteve said...

"In short, overt black bigotry invites a hideous backlash that I'm certain none of us here want to see."

Is this some kind of veiled threat?

The bottom line buddy is that very soon you white folks will be a minority in America.

On top of that, the younger whites in America are rejecting the sick hatred and resentment of people like you.

Obama won the under 30 white vote handily.

So this talk of a white backlash (RAHOWA) provoked by the likes of Quannell X are just the sick musings of a resentful white racist who can't accept the world as he knew it changing right before his eyes and he can't do a damn thing about it.

JMK said...

"In short, overt black bigotry invites a hideous backlash that I'm certain none of us here want to see." (UTS)


Bigotry ALWAYS invites firther bigotry.

Jim Crow turned many blacks of that generation into bitter, anti-white bigots, just as race-based preferences later turned many whites, who'd never had an issue with blacks before, into bitter, anti-black bigots.

And why, oh WHY would YOU be celebrating whites shrinking as a percentage of America's population?

I can confidently assure you that there's nothing good in that for you!

Blacks have already sunk from America's LARGEST racial minority (now 12.4% and shrinking) to SECOND place behind Hispanics (now 13.2% and growing), with Asians closing in at nearly 8% (more than doublig their numbers over the past 20 years) and still growing fast.

In fact, thanks primarily to abortion, the percentage of American-born blacks in this country has shrunk demonstrably, from around 12.2% in 1980 to 9.8% in 2005.

The only reason the black population has maintained it's 12% is due to Carribean and African immigration.

The demographics favor NEITHER American-born blacks or whites, UTS!

DJ Black Adam said...

@JMK:

Mayhaps I spoke too soon. You wrote:

"Jim Crow turned many blacks of that generation into bitter, anti-white bigots, just as race-based preferences later turned many whites, who'd never had an issue with blacks before, into bitter, anti-black bigots."

Let me get this tsraight, you basically are saying that Jim Crow and by mutual implication the slavery that came before it mad eBLACKS into "Bigots"? What the hell were they supposed to do, LIKE their oppressor?

Then you posit that "race based preferences" (your term, I assume you mean policies that came out of the Civil Rights movement) caused the same people who either a. particpated in or b. benefited from White priviliage in America to be bigots against a grouop that for 400 years was oppressed, treated as second class citizens and only for the past 30 odd year shas had anything LIKE an equal chance?

I don't think you are a racist, but I think you are sorely uneducated on sociological realities.

JMK said...

"Let me get this tsraight, you basically are saying that Jim Crow and by mutual implication the slavery that came before it mad eBLACKS into "Bigots"? What the hell were they supposed to do, LIKE their oppressor?" (DJBA)
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There you go, making a hideously erroneous assumption.

What percentage of pre-Civil War Northern whites owned slaves?

Answer 0%

What percentage of pre-Civil War Southerners owned slaves?

Answer appx 5%

There were free blacks since the late 18th Century and enslaved whites.

Moreover, many whites (such as myself) had ancestors who came over right around the time of the Civil War and "stepped off the boat and into a war to end someone else's bondage."

Me, an oppressor?

OPPRESSOR my ass!

My ancestors fought and died in a war that benefited others, a war they really had no truck in. 82% of the Union's Forces were of Irish descent.

In the South, the great General Longstreet said it best, "We should've freed the slaves and THEN fired on Fort Sumpter", for to them, they were fighting AGAINST "Northern aggression" and AGAINST "the encroachment of the centralized state (federalism)."

So how many of those Southerners were "oppressors"?

Apparenly about 5%!

How many of those white Northerners?

About 0%....In FACT, those folks and their descendants are owed a GREAT debt.

That's probably why there were so many black Confederates.

"It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, "saw the elephant" also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, "Will you fight?" Historian Ervin Jordan, explains that "biracial units" were frequently organized "by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to immediate threats in the form of Union raids". Dr. Leonard Haynes, an African-American professor at Southern University, stated, "When you eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you've eliminated the history of the South."

http://www.37thtexas.org/html/BlkHist.html

"DURING OUR WAR OF 1861, ex-slave Frederick Douglass observed, "There are at the present moment, many colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down ... and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government."

"Dr. Lewis Steiner, a Union Sanitary Commission employee who lived through the Confederate occupation of Frederick, Maryland said, "Most of the Negroes...were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederacy Army." Erwin L. Jordan's book "Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia" cites eyewitness accounts of the Antietam campaign of "armed blacks in rebel columns bearing rifles, sabers, and knives and carrying knapsacks and haversacks." After the Battle of Seven Pines in June 1862, Union soldiers said that "two black Confederate regiments not only fought but showed no mercy to the Yankee dead or wounded whom they mutilated, murdered and robbed."

"In April 1861, a Petersburg, Virginia newspaper proposed "three cheers for the patriotic free Negroes of Lynchburg" after 70 blacks offered "to act in whatever capacity may be assigned to them" in defense of Virginia. Erwin L. Jordan cites one case where a captured group of white slave owners and blacks were offered freedom if they would take an oath of allegiance to the United States."

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams012600.asp


So this idea that, by extension, "all whites are oppressors" is merely a convenient excuse for the worst kind of racial bigotry, akin to that Hitler employed to stir up anti-Jewish sentiments.

Race-based PREFERENCES, like separate and unequal passing grades for blacks and whites on various Civil Service Exams, government mandated quotas and set-asides ARE NOT and were NOT "part of the Civil Rights movement."

They were drafted in 1970 under then President Richard M Nixon another Republican Keynesian (like Herbert Hoover before him and George Bush Sr. AND Jr,after him)...and those kinds of racially discriminatory programs are as vile and anti-American as Jim Crow laws were.

No, I think it's you who may be mis-educated on some subjects...not your fault - we all were.

DJ Black Adam said...

@JMK:

Your presumption knows no bounds it appears.

I'll excuse your ignorance, I realize now that you aren't trying to be antagonistic, you just don't know better.

It wasn't about who "owned" slaves, it was about the premise of white privilage and supremacy (and by mutual implication Black inferiority), which most whites, even some abolishonist bought into.

Further, gov. quotas and the like WERE a consequence of the civil rights movement and equal hiring laws. I agree, such programs were not helpful, but sorry, 400 years of White Supremacy and White Privilage and you all want to trip about maybe a few thousand jobs over the last 30+ years? Sorry, you gets no sympathy for me on that.

I can agree that forced quota programs aren't the ticket, THAT we can discuss, BUT don't try to submit that b/s, its a serious false equivalence.

JMK said...

"It wasn't about who "owned" slaves, it was about the premise of white privilage and supremacy (and by mutual implication Black inferiority), which most whites, even some abolishonist bought into." (DJBA)
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Actually it's ALL about THAT.

How many of those Southerners owned slaves and were "oppressors"?

Apparenly about 5%!

How many of those white Northerners?

About 0%....In FACT, those folks and their descendants are owed a GREAT debt.

So this idea of yours that, by extension, "all whites are oppressors" is merely a convenient excuse for the worst kind of racial bigotry, akin to that Hitler employed to stir up anti-Jewish sentiments.

There's no denying that.

Those kinds of racially discriminatory programs (Set Asides and Quotas) are as vile and anti-American as Jim Crow laws were.

In the Military and throughout America's Civil Service at every level, standardized exams (that are the same tests for EVERYONE) are the rule, rather than the exception, giving ANY test taker an equal shot at any such position.

uptownsteve said...

"In short, overt black bigotry invites a hideous backlash that I'm certain none of us here want to see." (UTS)

That was YOUR quote you sorry POS.

uptownsteve said...

"Jim Crow turned many blacks of that generation into bitter, anti-white bigots, just as race-based preferences later turned many whites, who'd never had an issue with blacks before, into bitter, anti-black bigots."

I see that you're just plain stupid.

Despite Jim Crow many black men (like both my grandfathers) VOLUNTEERED for military combat in WW11. Put their lives on the line for a nation that didn't even acknowledge their humnaity.

Black people have always been the loyalest of Americans.

Despite Jim Crow, the Civil Rights movement was largely a peaceful, spiritual initiative which sought appeal to the goodness of Americans although history showed a different side.

And anti-black hatred and bigotry well predated affirmative action you pathetic racist.