I was over at the Field Negro's blog this morning reading the comments about how racist white republicans lead by Rush Limbaugh are viciously attacking Barack Obama as no other president in has been attacked in history. Its seems according to the commenters over there that white republicans and their Uncle Tom syncophats (that would be me I guess) just can't stand to see a black man in power. Here are a few comments that I found particularly disturbing:
"field--anything happens to Obama and all fucking HELL will break loose. I'm dead serious. I can't even imagine how lost we would be, then."
and....
"We all knew this was not about the Health Care Bill! as African American's we should know by now, how RACISM look's! and if we don't, we better LEARN and learn fast!
Now my job is to WATCH and PRAY!! so I knew this stuff was going to happpen! sorry but, I am not SHOCKED!!
field why not show all the face's of BLACK CONSERVATIVE'S/ they are all on TV in agreement with those so called Protester's/ no, these people are a pack of WOLVE'S going after their Prey!! and the Prey is the President! "
Seriously, I'd be willing to bet that it never occurred to any of these dumb-azzes (the nicest word I can think of at the moment) to read HR3200 for themselves. No, there is no need because Obama -- The Great Black Hope has their best interest at heart. He is their God and they would be lost without him.....
Anyway for those who are interested you can read the bill here
Here are some of the chilling highlights outlined by Larry Schweikart at Family Matters.org
Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. Can you imagine what that will do to small businesses? Every one will abandon “self insurance” and go on Government insurance. So when Obama says that there will still be private health care, it’s simply a lie: this mandate will force employers to abandon their private plans. (I'm not entirely sure if by self-insured they mean the "employer" or a "bona-fide health insurance co". If its the former than this isn't so bad but if it's the latter-- whew that's scary)
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – a Government committee (good luck with that!) will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE WILL BE RATIONED! (Of course, just like in Canada, and Great Britain -- hell, even here. But I'm more comfortable having an insurance co. ration me and leave me with a choice to pay for it myself than the gov't rationing me and leaving me NO CHOICE)
Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. (Yes, I have a problem with that not because I lack compassion but because they are here ILLEGALLY)
Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued! (I had to double check that one myself and there it was Lines 5-13)
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for electronic funds transfer (This is indeed FISHY)
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN). (That's not abundantly clear but not entirely unbelievable)
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan. (No big surprise)
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly. (This is petrifying)
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ AMA - The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE. (Proof positive that President Obama is a liar!!!!)
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families. (Therefore employers will stop hiring part-timers-- there goes making ends meet with a 2nd job)
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll. (This is how the government is going to strong arm us all into the public option)
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k who don’t provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income. (So...young and health folks who are capable of paying for their own preventative healthcare because they never get sick will pay more in taxes unless they have "acceptible" healthcare....smh)
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records. (Well, they have this information anyway since we file income tax returns -- so this isn't so shocking)
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. (This isn't good news for Pookie & em or Big Mama)
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors – doesn’t matter what specialty – will all be paid the same.
PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally, value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131 Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS (I wonder if Micheal Moore will make a movie about it?)
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors who treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission - Government will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion - Government will mandate hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures which of course forces health care rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into Government plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! (Why is that? Are Special needs people less valuable as human beings? Scary stuff)
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone.
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations. Think Senior Citizens end of life prodding. (Sounds like Richard Lamms (D) -- Duty to Die crap)
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in how to die.
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients’ health deteriorates.
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life! (So does this mean that the government gives instruction on pulling the plug and NOT YOUR LOVED ONES?)
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services/Non profit orgs.
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. 1 monthly payment to a community-based organization. (Like Acorn?)
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into our marriages.
Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services. You’d better speak up now before you are on the "advanced care consultation" list.
I wonder if Obama's supporter will still be singing his praises if this abominable bill comes to fruition and they are negatively effected? Yes, nothing can separate the Obamabots from the love of their "savior".....dumbazzes, will still find a way to blame "racist white republicans".
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lolololol. You people are a live trip. How about you all go read an ACCURATE chart regarding what is going on with Health Care Reform. Here is one from the Kaiser Family Foundation. http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/healthreform_sbs_full.pdf
CBW,
O Man's health plan is anything but!
It throws the baby out with the bath water. Instead of fixing what's broken he is replacing the entire system with one that has been proven in other countries to deliver rationed suboptimal health care. The greatest restrictions will be on the elderly. The bureaucracy will explode in size and with it costs will skyrocket and the delivery of care will plummet. Money will feed the system rather than the caregivers and their patients. Patient privacy will be a thing of the past and let's not forget....if Big Brother giveth everything he can taketh everything away as well.
The Canadians are now worried they won't be able to get good and timely American health care anymore if we change to their failed system.
It's not a black or white thing but rather an issue of humanity.
It's time to stop the hate and start the healing.
DJBA~umm....did you read the source you posted? After a cursory perusal I can tell that column three which outline HR 3200 is no less egregious than Larry Schweikart outlined.
I posted a link to the bill H.R. 3200 that is sitting in the house right now...and you offer Kaiser's comparison chart of past proposal etc. as a retort? Come on now Man!!!! Read the bill...then lets have an honest dialogue. Like Black Ink said...it really isn't a black & white thing. We are all going to be screwed if this thing passes.
This is a SCARY bill. I hope during the month of August when the senate and congress are in recess, the people will get out and voice their concerns to their elected officials.
You aren't a racist if you don't want this bill, but if you do want it, you are STUPID, and unable to comprehend what is being done to our country.
Go to this site and read the history of our country:
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2009/08/democrats-have-long-history-of-hate.html
Thanks again, CBW, for posting this.
@CBW:
That House Bill, if passed, has to go BACK to the Senate, what you commented on is very, very far from the finished item.
Just saying...
CBW,
Sadly many blacks are jumping to the conclusion of the two individuals comments you posted. They have been taught long ago to view EVERYTHING through the prism of race first. As a result they acquire the us vs. them mentality and eventually view the town hall protesters as racist because they are against a black president.
Plus it is a whole lot easier to scream raaaaaacism than to read the 1,017 page bill.
Mom wrote every president since Kennedy, to say what was on her mind. Email is out for her at 80 years. She still likes the pen.
Enough so, to write Warren Buffett and say what was on her mind. He seemed to be a man of influence and he needed to hear what she had to say, says mom.
She and her mom did "watch", evenings looking into the skys for enemy planes should they attack via New England. Maine, specifically.
Vigilance came from remembering the past and why. So that people are never oppressed again.
Vigilance is emailing your representatives daily. Mom wrote a letter and waited...
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/patriotic/highband.htm
CBW, I can't understand why some people don't want to look at the truth.
Some just hate God and equate the right with religious stuff, but that doesn't explain the rest.
Fzample: There are homosexuals and proponents of abortion who are on the right. Regardless of whether one agrees with them, I have more respect for a person who is willing to look at the truth though they 'choose' a stance based on their specific reason. You'd think some people would be honest and say, I know 'this' about 'that' but... Instead, they twist the facts to fit their ideology. Why don't they recognize their ability to choose anything they want, regardless?
Ignoring facts, changing history, and appearing to believe that their political party of preference is some sort of fast track to a utopian existence, makes no sense.
I guess I'm trying to make reason with something that's unreasonable, which is impossible. I should just stop.
If there was one iota of sincerity, the Congress would adopt their 'health care' proposals for themselves or create one for 'us' that is the same as what they have.
What is Sen. Chris Dodd saying to people who have already been diagnosed, whom he will not allow to have his health coverage or his retirement plans? What is he saying to those who will be diagnosed in the future? Dodd can go to Canada and take his own medicine! Oh, I almost forgot, that won't work as he would get VIP treatment as he does with real estate deals et al.
Distributing cupcakes:
FOUND at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icagf7sCscs&feature=player_embedded
The 'icing' on the cupcakes is more socialism and less free market.
Further, they could listen to the GAO. The USA needs to be less costly but it shouldn't be CHEAP. The USA excels in RESEARCH, doctors, specialists, even with the partially socialized system that is in place. As the GAO studies show (and have shown for years) the USA health system suffers from lack of competition... For starters see:
http://www.house.gov/ryan/GAO.pdf
No transparency! Fzample:
Tactics like refusing to post a bill that they voted on, only posting the one that went into the committee. The one that went in is extremely awful though, as well.
Fzample: Sec 102 pg 16 says you can keep your coverage. Yes, you can...BUT, you and your providers aren't allowed to make ANY changes or you get booted into the Canada type care. So, if your doctor moves or dies, into their system you go. ANY change... out from private (that's to be retained only for them) and into their 'one payor' system.
Kevin Jackson of The Black Sphere:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMijOYhEAxE
This socialist care has never worked in history, it's a miserable failure in the countries that now use it. Remember, the definition for 'insane' is trying the same thing, over and over, yet projecting different results!
It's apparent that the American people are saying no to the pushy health thingy from Obama and his Congress. I know I've heard him say he will "listen" but people are 'waiting' for him to do as he promised. Waiting, that's the kind of health 'care' he is trying to force on 'his' country. Insane!
let the people in on the FEHBP, and a 'new' system wouldn't need negotiating. But they care only for themselves. That's why the people get Social Security but the Feds get to pick and choose the package they deem best for them. That says a lot about the educational system, that people have such a hard time knowing facts and protecting themselves from being duped. They need to fix the part that needs it, bring cost down, let people pool their purchasing power and have their choices, which will help competition... Don't fix what's not broken or brake further!
If it takes lies, cheating, having a different program for themselves/citizens, or having their aides call to express dissatisfaction with current insurance/lack of, this tells you they're not offering a very healthy product.
They make it hard but let's try to be informed. Here's some links for thought:
"Insurance costs are a big disincentive to an entrepreneur." http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/26/smallbusiness/health_cure.fsb/index.htm?postversion=2009012809
http://www.redorbit.com/news/display/?id=243592&source=r_health
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/05/obama_enters_national_health_c.html
chuck vollmer-seen on cbn 700 club- He has produced a presentation called "The Tyranny of Trillions," to help explain how damaging such debt is to the country. He founded VII Inc http://www.viiinc.com/VII_ExecSum.html
Then do a search on the AARP schill for the DNC. A scam for YOUR MONEY.
Thank you Smile for all of the links.
Regarding the Kevin Smith (The Black Sphere), it's so painful to see how the democrat party an the elitist liberal whites play on the WILLFUL IGNORANCE of black people. They can count on us to be their useful idiots. When this healthcare debacle blows up in our faces and when the gov't and not Pookie makes the decision to take Big Mama off of life support or then they'll claim they have been "bamboozled"....It's ridiculous. Well God says that "my people perish for lack of knowledge".
@Smile:
"It's apparent that the American people are saying no..."
Apparently NOT, it is apparent however; that there is a part of America who is stupid enough to oppose reforms that would help them overall and support the insurance industry which has been bending them over with no vasoline for the past 30+ years...
Thanks, CBW!
It is vitally important to be informed, to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth (or start typing), what you are arguing about before starting an argument, to know what you're rooting for before you start cheering, and to know what you are voting for before you go and vote.
I wish more people would take the time to research (both sides of the story!), read, thoroughly examine the evidence and come to their own, intelligent conclusions instead of simply parroting what they hear in the media. I am talking about liberals and conservatives alike!
Thanks for challenging your readers to be informed.
As an aside, I am sorry that any black Americans take the opposition to HR 3200 as a racial attack. This is about the freedom and maintenance of rights of ALL the American people. We are all on the same plane here, and the reprocussions of socialized medicine are going to effect us all negatively in the end.
~Bess
I'll probably get freaking slammed for this but anyways...
Here's a newsflash. White people don't think of most things in racial terms. It's hard to relate to an 'everything's racial' point of view. Every conversation I've had regarding this bill has to do with the content of the bill and the philosophies of the people supporting the bill. The race of the president has not been mentioned even once. But of course the racism is just under the surface or 'understood' right? These commenters are projecting their perspective onto others when it's totally invalid to do so.
The health care reform bill is a socialist big government piece of crap. It will negatively affect nearly everyone, no matter what your race is.
While white people need to understand that race is constantly a part of a black person's consciousness, I think black people need to understand that white people are not constantly thinking in racial terms. I think this would help us understand each other a lot better.
@Judy:
"White people don't think of most things in racial terms."
I agree, you all don't THINK about itfor the most part, just pure unadulterated sociological and psychological programming...for the most part that is...
It's one thing to be a po shufflin' sheep but quite another to be a blind, dumb one as well, by stuffin' cotton in yer ears and pokin' yerself in da eye.
Check out YOUR legislature and those in YOUR govment. The private insurance you claim so hateful, they retain for themselves. It is THE LARGEST private insurance in the nation, notably FEHBP, and provides YOUR reps the ability to choose their package as they see fit. They hobble ours into a cable tv kinda tier thingy. And yo dumazz don't know it.
Don't be a dumazz 'bout FEHBP, check 'em out! IOW, ya'll don't have no cred here witcher so called christian...ism, bs. Ya'll take the name in vain! While black bein' so important to ya, ya'll come in here and try ta beat up on a buncha black folk for thinkin' for themselves. Worse yet, ya'll lyin' lefties take great pleasure in bein' mean and cruel. Don't make me no never mind! I ain't gotta look in the mirror atcha!
And, not to slam JudyBright but (and CBW knows where I'm comin' from)any white folk I talk to who are racist are mostly on the left. Any racist black folk the same, all over there on the left. Rightchere on these threads you can see, the left always interjecting that racist sheeit. If they can't getcha ta agree, they wanna slap ya up and cutcha off, whining; I'll take you off my list and you can't be my frin. Jokes: Good rid!
Shuffle right on along, witcher dumbazz, racist self, 'cause you've got some ear stuffin', eye pokin', self mutilation ta tend ta.
My whiteazz read this just one year ago, after coming online:
http://www.archive.org/details/washingtoninthel00fultuoft
To me, this points a finger at despotic thinking.
Not gonna read it? Then, there you are....
We can't do this going in two directions at once.
I just left the web site below, again, to show you something you have seen over and over again, I hope.
http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2009/08/08/if-one-is-to-admire-another-he-should-take-his-advice/
yeah, he's a hunter on a hunting web but he ain't huntin game.
thank you cbw
Ecclesiastes 1:9
This was actually written by Reverend William J. H. Boetcke, often erroneously attributed to Honest Abe:
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."
@Smile:
Ecclesiastes 1:9?
Funny, the one I looked ups says: "That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun."...go figure
Hey Robin, GREAT post. Still waiting to do your show, but it's on you. Book is doing well. LOTS happening in St. Louis these days, including our Chrispus Attucks! LOL
My question is: if you have health insurance coverage, why even worry about reform if you're happy with what you're paying for?
And, if what you say or list above is true, why then is it that the majority of the funding for most campaigns against the proposal is coming from special interests groups that are closely tied to the industry?
Why all the lies?
Rippa,
There is a provision in the bill that if anything changes about your coverage, you will not be allowed to keep it. So you'd be forced to government care within a couple of years.
I also don't want the negative effects of tax increases to pay for inefficient government care even if I'm not personally using it.
And, your second point is based on rumors and false accusations from Democrats that don't want to listen to their constituents. These are largely grass roots efforts that are not connected to the Health Insurance industry or any other.
You are hilarious!! I was actually trying to find a conservative black female who I saw on glenn beck this week. I can't remember her name, but she was really sharp. Unfortunately I was just 'kind' of listening and did not get names. I am a conservative white guy (old white guy at that) but I am trying to keep a finger on the pulse of this CRAZY world. Thanks for your well written, intelligent and VERY funny blog. I shall return.
P.S. Check out my blog if you are ever really bored.
I'm pointin fingers who's been between us.
http://www.supremelaw.org/library/esquires.html
and this link is the abc's to tyranny-I mean-oppresssion.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/secret_treaty_of_verona.htm
They also invented the cfr and put their best in the UN. and that's assuming you know our capitol is filthy with 'em.
I thot I was republican - nope. I read Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny and realized I was conservative because I understood tyranny. So did the founders and hence, america.
If you don't understand tyranny, are you american?
@Judy
You wrote: "And, your second point is based on rumors and false accusations from Democrats that don't want to listen to their constituents. These are largely grass roots efforts that are not connected to the Health Insurance industry or any other."
If you truly believe that the insurance industry isn't behind this misinformation that the right is championing (from Palin to Hannity to Beck to Buchannon), then you are either seriously naive, incredibly stupid or a shareholder in an HMO. You don't seem stupid, so it leaves the other two....
Thanks for keeping me in the loop, CBW! I appreciate it.
CBW, as always, steady on the case!
DJBA, I am beginning to think that you are a construct, not a real person at all. More like an exercise in cliches and liberal anti-thought devised as a pitiful foil for which to contrast erudite and considered opinions. A sort of creature of the id useful for warning thinking men of the dangers of liberal social engineering and it's softening effect on the healthy brain.
Good article. This entire debate continues to morph as Obama and his hencemen become exposed - this health care reform bill is NOT about health care, it is about power. It's goal of reducing costs has been repeatedly debunked. Rationing is a guarantee, and our seniors are slated as unwilling victims. Price controls do not work, period. When something doesn't cost much, people abuse the system; in conjunction with BO's announced goal to insure 47 million more folks (the real # of chronically uninsured is really ONLY 4%), people will be forced to suffer in waiting lines as their conditions degenerate...and on and on. Socialized medicine doesn't wok - people suffer under restrictive government intrusion.
to rippa and DJ Black Adam:
Are these provisions in the bill made up? Is this what you are saying? Really?? Why don't you read it for yourself??
For the life of me I can't understand the thinking at work here. A people can have an ideology, but at some point, truth is truth. Anything that doesn't mesh with your line of reasoning(i use the term loosely) is a lie?? The healthcare bill is available for viewing. Read it.
I have reported this post to flag@whitehouse.gov
It is so hard to have a black president when everytime you oppose him it is because he is black. I have been reading the bill and I am unhappy with its content. As a black man I cannot support this change to our healthcare systems.
Suppose this bill goes into law. Then will black poeple still complain about it being unfair to blacks. If we look at other systems there is good and bad in them (other countries with socialized medicine). In a hope for the best expect the worst mentality I decline socialized medicine.
I beleive obama will lower cost by not paying doctors and nurses squat. But this is better for the community.
THE TRANSITION WILL BE ROUGH.
Also, the democrats have a super majority. So why are we having this debate again.
THE REPUBLICAN VOTE DOES NOT MATTER. THE DEMOCRATS ARE HOLDING THIS ONE UP. WE BLACK UNCLE TOMS AND RIGHT WING WHITIES (RACIST) CAN TALK ALL WE WANT BUT THEY COULD PASS THIS BILL NOW IF THEY WANTED TO.
PLEASE TELL ME WHO IS HOLDING THIS UP. IT DAM SURE AIN'T THE RIGHT WINGERS AND TEA PARTIERS. THIS IS ALL ON THE DEMS. BUT THEY JUST CAN'T HELP BLAMING RIGHT WINGERS FOR ALL OF THE WORLDS PROBLEMS.
AHEFT shows African American health care has long been rationed by breeding us to limit our lives, so why should we pay for all those boomer pensions we will never benefit from? After all, it was the boomer pensions which caused the market to crash.
@Digital Publisus:
You wrote: "DJBA, I am beginning to think that you are a construct, not a real person at all."
We'll, anytime you want to come on down to the CHI, Southside, 79th and Ashland, Sunday around 10:30am (so you don't miss praise and worship)you can see if I am a "construct", while we receive a good sermon from my old pastor.
I swear that particular accusation coming from a sycophantic lackey such as you is almost comical, but ultimately is pathetic.
To the tune of the Lone Ranger:
Readthebill, readthebill, readthebill-bill-bill.
Readthebill, readthebill, readthebill-bill-bill.
Readthebill, readthebill, readthebill-bill-bill.
Readthebill, readthebill!
unh-hunh, it's Monday.
Conservative Black Women. Not just a concept, but a Real and True American value like the rest. I am married to a woman who happens to be black and is dynamic in every way. She is more patriotic than the flag itself and supported the mission and the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.(I was there, I know) We both believe in strong family values and certainly moral and ethical standards. Reading most of these blogs proves that America is not a country of hyphenation but a country of courage and adjoining beliefs. In our family, we are not white or black, we are Americans with fortitude and historical promise. My blog dictates what I KNOW America should be and not fearful of speaking truth based upon fact. I have referred to Obama as the token black guy not because he is black, but because he is the wrong guy period and for the most part, black and white Americans chose him by virtue of his color and not of his content or his character. His fraudulent character was noticeable during the campaign but America chose change and hope over content. If Harold Ford or Michael Steele ran for President I would have been happy and at ease. Both are black and one is Dem and the other Repub. Of course with my conservative nature I would have gone to Steele, McCain or Palin. But if not then Ford would have gotten my vote. Ford has character and value not to mention that Experience we all need. So you see, conservatives are more open minded more so than liberals which is why we go against the OB method and it's tunnel vision. I noticed a " J.Bright" saying that she was going to forward your blog to the flag@whitehouse.gov. May she have at it and while doing so forward my blog oifmack.wordpress.com. Real and True America has the right to voice their disdain and utter disregard for those who have been ELECTED by the people for the people. In my case, a 24 year US Army veteran of both war and peace I have certainly EARNED the right to voice my disregard and contempt for a government that is blindly leading Real and True Americans down a path to ill-fated history.
oifmack.wordpress.com
Thank You CBW, and may the wind be at your back.
Regardless of what side you are on there are some issues in this bill that need to be dealt with. Some don't want healthcare reform some do.
I think that if we sat back and let bills like this get passed into law we would look back and say WTF! But the arguements on both sides hopefully will produce a better bill that will really work for America.
I actually oppose healthcare reform but I know something is going to be passed by a super-majority democratic congress and senate. I just hope some of the stuff that CBW pointed out will be removed.
This arguement that we are having will hopefully lead to a comprimise that truly works for everyone.
With that being said "you can't make everybody happy."
Conservative Blk woman, thank you so much for posting this. I read through the whole bill and I was horrified by what the provisions and how much authority govt. will have if this bill passes. Everyone regardless of your class, race, ethnic background etc should be highly disturbed by this bill. Think about it people, Govt. got involved in education and look what happened? Many public school teachers are unqualified and the kids are becoming stupid and lack the ability to critically think. The whole situation with healthcare is disturbing and I hope to God that our representatives take the time to review the bill and fight it. No rational individual would support such garbage. I'm truly disappointed in President Obama. What is he trying to do here?
Sorry, had to delete a poor attempt at flipancy and humor...sometimes I attempt to eleveate tension in disagreement that way...sometimes it works...sometimes it doesn't....
I agree that the Obama proposal is full of holes, but we are NOT going to resolve the health care crisis via staged town hall shouting matches, misinformation, and ideological dogmatic rhetoric. And for sure, we are NOT going to remedy the issue without spending money. What I find amazing is that up until now, Republicans never chose to address the high cost of health care with their own proposal. I'm guessing that they smelled the public discontent with their apparent complacency that the Free Market would resolve the issue. Wake up people...we need pragmatic solutions, not ideological ones! Believe it or not, there ARE more than 2 political lifeforms in the known universe ("conservative" & "liberal").
@ DJ Black Adam: Howzabout, I help you get the slab of granite off your shoulder?
Great blog...you are a great resource.
Stan Weitzman
Aptos,CA
@Donna:
You wrote: "Howzabout, I help you get the slab of granite off your shoulder?"
HELP ME? Sorry that goes against right wing free market principles. You are supposed to see if I can afford coverage that will get the granite off my shoulders, if it is priced beyond my means, I deserve to have toe granite on my shoulders, so when I go to the ER to get the granite off my shoulder they can pass the cost on to YOU while their profits increase.
@Muse:
You wrote: "No rational individual would support such garbage. I'm truly disappointed in President Obama. What is he trying to do here?"
What "he" is trying to do should be quite simple for a "rational" person to see. He is trying to deal with a problem that has been allowed to grow to gargantuan proportions because of the Right's religious belief that everything should be a for profit venture, and the Left's inability to communicate simple actualities to the American people regarding this screwed up system we have in place.
If you are truly confused and unable to understand the need for this reform, might I suggest reading up on the subject before making such sophomoric and inane statements.
@Beyond:
You wrote: "we need pragmatic solutions, not ideological ones! Believe it or not, there ARE more than 2 political lifeforms in the known universe ("conservative" & "liberal")."
I am inclined to agree.
DJ, unfortunately, health care is a for profit venture, I woulld have to imagine that a good number of our doctors, nurses and other health care proffessionals intend to get paid for thier services, drug companies and MRI designers and manufacturers expect to make a profit on thier products. If the pay decreases and the profits go away so will the medical machines, professionals, and chemicals. This worries some people and those people would like Obama Care to go the way of Hillary Care.
@Anonymous:
I know you aren't as simple as you are presenting yourself to be. Not for Profit doesn’t mean people DON’T get paid for their work it means that bottom line stock numbers are not the primary factor and determiner for who gets covered and what people who are already paying for service get covered for.
How about responsibility instead of race as a solution to health care?
Health insurance has primarily failed Americans for two (2) reasons.
First is corporate greed on the part of the insurer and second is because of personal greed by the insured.
What other service or commodity is procured with the same consumer attitude as when there is insurance coverage? The insured doesn't care about cost or necessity when getting care; rather he/she wants the best and they want it now! If the insurance company doesn't cover it they're bastards, regardless of actual medical necessity. Appropriateness, fraud and abuse be damned. The insurance company on the other hand wants to limit coverage regardless of true medical need whenever possible to increase corporate profits. Period.
If these dynamics are not changed dramatically a single payer system, such as the Federal plan proposed by Obama, will be even more disastrous.
Responsibility should be rewarded and not punished. The chip on the shoulder victim mentality must stop before it rips apart the fabric that has made America great. Time to stop hating based on skin color and making excuses, my brothers and sisters.
Socialized medicine will dumb down the system to the lowest common denominator as has been demonstrated world wide.
I propose a tiered system of health care delivery.
1. Medical savings plans with high deductibles for the responsible segment of society that is race neutral. The high deductible will lend itself to responsible behavior in that the patient will determine whether or not the service rendered is worth the expenditure. Individual judgment and consequences for good and bad behavior will control not some "one size fits all" arrogant bureaucrat.
Once the deductible is met insurance will cover 90% of medical expenses the remaining 10% patient's responsibility will continue the cost control mindset. If deductibles aren't used up in a fiscal year that unused portion will grow in the patient's account with interest. Healthy folks will soon be self funded and they can reap the benifit rather than the insurance company. Those that don't have a residual at the end of the year will be no worse off than a traditional health plan would leave them.
These folks will have the individual personal freedom to better control their health care needs more responsibly.
2. For that segment of society that is irresponsible, whether by choice or true lack of ability or hard times out of their control; there shall be a system of free government clinics. Anyone regardless of race, ethnicity or financial resources can access health care through these free clinics. However, the delivery of care will differ from system #1 hereinabove. There will be longer waits. There will only be generic Rx offered unless there is a need for brand name not available in generic. There won't be private rooms on demand. Ambulances will be reserved for true emergencies not merely a taxi service. Entry to Emergency or Trauma Departments will be based on appropriate triage through the free clinics an patients will not check into hospitals as if they were hotels. Malpractice for free care will be precluded with exception for gross negligence or intentional acts....in other words a mere bad outcome will not result in a windfall for a disgruntled patient and their attorney after free care was administered and perfect results were not attained.
Appropriate sacrifices, rewards and care for all based on actual need and responsibility.
THAT'S CHANGE I CAN BELEVE IN!
All criticisms aside, can anyone tell me what has the G.O.P. proposed as an alternative as far as reform is concerned?
I'll be here waiting for an answer...
Rippa~Now were talking!!!! If it were up to me I'd say just eliminated the damnable pre-existing conditions clauses and we'd be done. But unfortunately it's not up to me. But here is one alternative offered by Senator Coburn and Representatives Nunes and Ryan its called the
The Patients’ Choice Act of 2009. Here is the text:
http://www.house.gov/ryan/PCA/PCAsummary15p.pdf
Here's a video of the proposal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6H3aEob_mo&feature=player_embedded
RiPPa,
Too bad Obama hasn't cared to ask the same question. The democratic machine, quite frankly, doesn't give a shit what the GOP thinks about anything....they are too busy with their agenda of socializing America through race baiting and class envy.
Black Ink's tiered system posted at 1:28 is fundamentally what the GOP principle stands for and is a good starting point.
@CBW: I'm listening to him and he addressed Medicare recipient families. He never addressed the uninsured; he never addressed or gave any hint to a public option.
But I gotta give it to him: he offered an optional solution to the problem with heath care -- which would be not getting your bang for your buck.
This is the type of conversations that are needed instead of shouting matches which are motivated by fear, misinformation, and disinformation.
DJ Black Adam,
Now that wasn't very nice.
You don't know anything about me and even less about the fraud and abuse that goes on in American health care. There is plenty of fault to go around on both sides of the fence and I tried to point that out earlier...perhaps a re-read of my earlier post that you referenced would be of benefit.
Stop being a manipulative victim. Striving for excellence through responsible common sense and fair play rather than promoting rationed socialized mediocrity is more appropriate as a health care solution.
CBW has a good point with preexisting conditions being covered.
@BlackInk
"You don't know anything about me and even less about the fraud and abuse that goes on in American health care."
I know this much, only one side of the equation in health care is motivated by maximizing profits.
As well, Please stop presenting false dichotomies, there is more than This current failing system and “socialized” health care.
DJ Black Adam,
I'm very well versed on the healthcare issue. I work in as an analyst in the HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY DING DONG! I have an intimate knowledge of the financial impact Obama’s bill will have on individuals and the country as a whole so please don’t insult my intelligence thank you. If you are upset that I didn't add you to my friend list on facebook then that is a personal issue. You can have a discussion about healthcare without resorting to personal attacks. If I was confused about what is going on with healthcare, there are plenty of wise individuals on this blog who I can address. I’m pretty sure they will be more than happy to answer any questions I have.
My comment about what Obama is trying to do is based on my assessment of the bill. It’s poorly written and gives the govt monopoly in an industry they have no business being in.
@Muse:
lololol. Upset? Get a grip lady, I have had more conservative people who I “friended” not “friend” me than you. Me I just usually e-mail or friend a person before I read them simply to avoid them doing what you are, TAKING IT PERSONAL. Trust me, you are so blinded by the right wing propaganda train you are hitched too you would have deleted me anyway, you all are notoriously very…limited (to say the least)…in your ability to discuss anything of any substance with people outside of the drones you normally fellowship with.
That being said:
"My comment about what Obama is trying to do is based on my assessment of the bill."
1st, since the bill isn’t finished yet, you (and every other Hannity lackey here) are assessing a work in progress.
2nd, I don’t care how long you worked in health care you obviously lack a true overview of what you are talking about.
You wrote: “I have an intimate knowledge of the financial impact Obama’s bill will have on individuals and the country as a whole so please don’t insult my intelligence thank you.”
I am not insulting your intelligence, I am pointing out your IGNORANCE. Obviously you are willfully ignorant to the financial impact that Health Care cost (even the health care cost of the UNINSURED) have on this country as a whole.
You just seem to be regurgitating conservative right wing talk radio hyperbole.
So since it seems like you basically get your news for Fox (or from your wise Conservative comrades here), I’ll just allow you to bask in your ignorance.
Good day.
Why are you making assumptions about who I am or what party I affiliate with? First of all I'm a registered Independent with conservative leanings; Secondly I don't watch fox news so where you received that bit of information is beyond me. Oh I get it you were making an ASSUMPTION. Gotcha. And for your information I have a wide range of friends and acquaintances that have views that differ from mine. Even if we disagree on certain issues there is always a level of respect and we don’t resort to calling people idiots. That fact that you feel the need to insult me and others instead of debating with solid facts lets me know that you are truly disturbed individual who lacks maturity. I have no problem with engaging in debates with people who have different views than me but I will not engage in conversation where the individual is hostile and refuses to show respect. You are a grow man acting like a child on a blog because some people disagree with the fine points of the bill. The most disturbing part about your comments sir is that you have a blog professing that you are a Christian. Yet you’ve been the main person using hateful language and insults towards others.I’m sad for you.
@Muse:
Good lordy wordy child. Get over yourself, it ain't personal. Your ignorance is evident by how you attempt to support your position.
You go on with this entertaining bit "The most disturbing part about your comments sir is that you have a blog professing that you are a Christian."
Yeah, typical rightie, I can't be a Christian because I won't play nice with your anti-Christian right wing views? Guess I'm supposed to hold hands and sing Kumbya with you Hannity / Limbaugh / Buchannon parrots? Not gonna happen.
And then this: "Yet you’ve been the main person using hateful language and insults towards others."
Hateful? Hardly. I don't "hate" the Ruight, I just don't LIKE the Right.
"I’m sad for you."
Save it kid, be sad for people if your right wing agenda in this health care debate derails change.
You don't know me, I don't know you, so can we move on now.
BTW, to all Right Wing professing Christians
Let me be clear here, since Muse brought this up, I thought I’d address this one good time.
As much as I think the party line you right wingers tow is demonic and not of God and anti-Christ in many, many points, I don’t think YOU PERSONALLY are.
So let’s not question my Christianity, and I won’t question yours. I don't want to have to theologically read anyone, I like to keep it to politics.
Peace
DJ Black Adam is simply not the sharpest tool in the shed and his juvenile arguments and baseless insults simply underscore his insecurity and programmed anger.
So for those of you insulted by his one dimensional dribble, consider the source, smile and ignore the fool. Remember..."you can't fix stupid".
You are doing what racists have done with Black people: lumping all of us in one category as if we all share the same beliefs. There are is a large political spectrum that exists. Calling people idiots, righties and using other forms of ad hominem attacks is down right inappropriate. Your comments thus far show that you lack wisdom in how you choose to engage people in conversation. As a Christian pastor shouldn’t you be an example? I’m embarrassed for you. As I told you privately there is a way to have a respectful discussion without the hatred and name-calling.
Nevertheless, in my opinion, the healthcare bill is flawed because it allows too much government interference in the type of coverage people can elect. Competition on the market where people can pick from the very best coverage available at a reasonable price is the best avenue. Having a choice is what is important and it has nothing to do with which political party you are affiliated with. Obama’s plan appears to be trying to model the US healthcare system based on Europe’s where everyone is pigeon holed into one type of plan. As someone who lived in Europe there are many problems with their healthcare system that proponents of this bill don’t want to acknowledge. Also where are the funds to pay for this healthcare plan?! Past actions is usually an indicator of future behavior, therefore I wonder how is the government going to manage healthcare when they can’t even do a decent job with Social Security? Do we really want the government making decisions on the type of treatments patients can get or the coverage we elect?
@Trident:
I'll admit "I'm" not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but compared to butter knives like you I might as well be a Japanese Katana.
@Muse:
You wrote: "You are doing what racists have done with Black people: lumping all of us in one category as if we all share the same beliefs."
Apples and Spinach here Muse. I say apples and spinach not apples and oranges because this isn’t comparing fruit, its comparing two very different things.
RIGHTIES CHOOSE to be RIGHTIES predicated on shared political belief, I don’t recall anyone but Eminem choosing to be Black.
You write: “ Calling people idiots, righties and using other forms of ad hominem attacks is down right inappropriate.”
I think its perfectly appropriate. As for you, I don’t recall calling YOU anything I think I called your COMMENTS something.
You write: “Your comments thus far show that you lack wisdom in how you choose to engage people in conversation.”
O.K., let me break this down to the bone gristle for you. Muse, I am not going to sugar coat things for folks who are supporting a health care system that bankrupts families, allows for misery so that corporate profits are higher, allows for unnecessary and preventable death all while big business lines its pockets.
Wisdom says that people who support this status quo do so either for lack of information or for lack of compassion or for greed and selfishness sake masquerading as “free enterprise”.
You wrote: As a Christian pastor shouldn’t you be an example? I’m embarrassed for you.
Save it kid, be embarrassed for yourself, I am not a Christian "pastor", but as a CHRISTIAN I will point out your positions lacks the compassion that Christ would show, and I will rebuke as SHARPLY as it calls for. In general the crew here is abrasive, so par for the course.
Now, quit trying to play that Christian card you don’t define my faith, and you don’t know my theology, just worry about yours.
Now since you keep going there, again, I have to say good day, for someone who gets all sensitive when their arguments are attacked you sure are quite quick to try to attack someone’s faith, and THAT is personal.
Have a nice one.
CBW,
Check out a blog I follow called "M.D.O.D."
It sheds pretty good common sense on the issue being discussed here.
I love your blog too.
Take care,
Trident 5
@Trident:
You wrote: "DJ Black Adam,
Quit showing your ass and man up."
Trident quit being an ass, and we won't have no problems, Don't start none, won't be none son.
"If you want to be taken seriously..."
Oh come off it man, I don't really care how you "righties" take me. I have long since come to the conclusion that many of you Black Righties are willfully ignorant at best self haters at worst.
Barack got elected, you all couldn't wait to be the first to show how "not like the blacks who voted for Barack" you were; pathetic, same pathological liunacy that makes some blacks go out of there way to proclaim they don't each Chicken or Watermellon. Sad....
You are pretty aggravating DJ Black Adam!!!!
BTW, the bible says woe to those who call good evil and evil good. You don't know it, but you are doing just that. Nothing will cure you but prayer. Everyone who believes that God answers prayers, pray for DJ Black Adam, that his eyes may be opened.
@Anonymous:
You might want to keep it to politics, you really don't want to get scripture involved. BUT then again, you folks seem to like to get in over your head.
Take a look at http://readthinkgo.blogspot.com/ for a scathing, point-by-point rebuttal of this list of these supposed details about the healthcare plan. Each point has the actual text from the proposed below it, so you can see the truth for yourself.
Bottom Line: ALMOST ALL THESE POINTS DO NOT ACTUALLY EXIST IN THE PROPOSED BILL!
@seeking truth:
A good portion of what will happen with the proposals are incremental. For instance, over time, the private option will go away. When people cannot re-enroll in a private plan if they lose their employer based plan or if they wish to make a change. Employers being taxed on the healthcare they do provide...? Do you think that private companies can or will want to compete with a giant federal plan? Do you really believe that rationing will not occur, how can it not? Rationing was in the original bill. When the current bill talks about end of life planning what the heck do you think they are saying and planning? Is it ok to fund abortions with tax payers money? Why don't you guys get it? Go and read the bill, a little at a time if necessary. It DOES say the things that the article points out. READ IT and get back to us.
Ya'll are way silly! Those with half a brain and a few fingers can search out answers on the web. Don't have to take anyone's word for it.
And anybody that thinks they have the right to "rebuke you sharply" just ignore that drivel. Only thugs treat people like that. Yeah, you! News flash to ya: We ain't gonna be bullied by you people no mo.
We are through with racism by any name, any color.
Anyone can sling unthoughtful mud, if expected to be taken seriously READ THE BILL.
@seeking truth
If you're interested in truth, a good place to start is by not implying the link you gave would dissect H.R.3200 Always remember, bullshit is not truth.
All you did was steer people to someone who wanted to talk about an EMAIL they had received. Parsing words like audit/study. Next time, read the bill before if you want cred.
I did your homework for ya'll. Here's a link so you can read for yourself.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
Or: Put H.R.3200 in your search bar.
This is a great blog and we should all stay on point and not engage the senseless racist provocation by ignorant angry people like DJ Black Adam.
They have nothing in their lives but bitter hatred for others predicated simply on skin pigment. Playing up to their programmed stereotypes is all they know.
I prefer to judge someone by the content of their character rather than by the color of their skin.
Dr. King would be offended by individuals like DJ Adam as we all should be.
So may I suggest henceforth we all stick to the issues and ignore the racebaiters best we can.
RIPPA:
Is it your contention that the ONLY choice is to either have a GOP alternative to consider or VOTE YET on the Federal Democrat proposal?
Actually my greatest concern as a Black man is that NO WHERE in the Black Activist circles is any specificity regarding what OUR COMMUNITY WILL DO to complement better health outcomes in our community.
This is nearly a 100% "In Receipt Of Benefit" bill.
Will there be any new Black Doctors or RN who will deliver health care services to our people.
Will there be any requirement that the Black community direct more of our own financial resources to the services that WE say are valuable to keep us alive?
It seems to me that the test of "Equality" is a two way street.
@Constructive Feedback
"Will there be any requirement that the Black community direct more of our own financial resources to the services that WE say are valuable to keep us alive?"
Requirement? Sometimes it seems as though some need their hand held every step of the way. As when someone is injured or born with a handicap, if they aren't encouraged to practice and an environment created (ramps, prosthetics...) for them to make choices for growth, they are further handicapped by excessive coddling, regardless if how sincere the coddler. So, a "requirement" shouldn't remove their freedom to make their own choices. Hopefully they will repel choices that lead to their own demise.
Removing inappropriate coddling encourages better choices and more effort, with self encouragement because of the effort. You can see this in action at rehabilitation centers.
@BLACK INK
Spot on!
@RiPPa
I trust you took the time to thoroughly check out the link that CBW gave you.
Here is another that will be helpful for studying the various issues.
http://blunt.house.gov/Read.aspx?ID=1059
@Black:
"I prefer to judge someone by the content of their character rather than by the color of their skin.
Dr. King would be offended by individuals like DJ Adam as we all should be."
Good, I am more inclined to Malcolm X than Dr. King.
As well, YOU all are the ones that brought up race, I think your inane thoughts and sophomoric sycophantic boot licking lackey babble has nothing to do with your race, you are just a base buffoon, regardless of what color you are.
Cretin.
Suggestion:
FIRST: READ THE US CONSTITUTION OUT LOUD LINE BY LINE after Recess on The House and Senate Floors.
Health care Reform Bill in 10 pages.
-The Congressional Budget Office Shall Issue to All American Citizens the Exact Same Health Care Plan 545 Members of Congress and The House Currently Own That We Currently Pay For. Effective Jan 2013.
-Use that $680 Billion Down payment to Provide Better Care to The Elderly. They Deserve it all Raising these Generations Today, (You and Me).
END
If anything less is passed, we will not accept it because we will never ever put up or accept any Real ID Card like this..
http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf
CBW, as usual you are spot on. I would hear stories from my mother about racism and never did I think I would see them come to life during my time-- BY MY OWN RACE.
These townhall meetings should be about the issues but the media has turned it into this phony racism nonsense. I want my country back.
Let me get this right:
So you are saying they are wrong to think people don't like Obama because of racism. They are dumb to think that way.
But you on the other hand, are right to not like him and call him all sorts of names because of his ideology is different from yours.
Not sure how the two are different, surely you have liberal friends and family who you love, and admire, but don't agree with politically, and don't call them the same names you call Obama.
So how can you hate a man, that you have never spoken with or had an intellectual conversation with. You've only kno what's filtered through the media and third person sources. You dislike him and you don't know him, is the same thing as praising him without knowing him.
It's funny to me how both liberals and conservatives think we are so right, and both groups have been on the wrong side of history time and time again.
If you are not outraged that people are calling him coons and monkeys because he's doesn't share your ideology, then maybe there is something also wrong there, because the President is not letting it get in his way, but it's wrong just as well.
How about now, you get out your private insurance manual and post it, and let me see how different it is.
I...cannot...believe...this...insanity. Those of you here that have "read" the bill and "understand" the proposals SURELY realize that your staunch opposition to it plays right into the private insurance sectors hands (and everyone else that makes a pretty penny from it, to include lobbyists right here in my backyard of Washington, DC). What I find most amusing is that those who are least likely to have a true understanding of socialism, communism, and fascism throw those terms around like little children learning how to say "mommy" and "dada." You can point to something and say it when it's been repeated enough, right? Well, willful ignorance surely is a hoot. 'Well, I know socialism when I see it!" you say...most wouldn't know it if it clear knocked them upside the head. But good on ya' for trying to act like you know.
Take a breather and don't just read the bill, take out paraphrased portions and slap your own interpretations on them (or someone else's interpretation because the copy/paste demon got a hold of you). People who do that are trying to form the opinion of those that clearly do not have the capacity to form their own opinions. In legal circles, that is called "leading the witness."
And this guy (see link below)..."reverse classism!" "Decimating effect?" Based on what math??? If it's his math, we've got a problem because he cannot count. I love it. Makes me want to give my parents a great big hug for that elitist education of mine. Ha!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/19/conservative-black-bishop_n_263531.html
Thanks be to Odin that we have separation of church and state. In theory, at least.
Ahhhh Donna.....You've returned to grace us with your condescension once again.
Your ego and illusion (disillusion rather) of intellectual superiority are epic and quite amusing.
Nice to hear from you again as I needed a good chuckle this morning....lol.
I don't care if you're a liberal or conservative, if someone calls a person a racial slur, it's wrong. {PERIOD}
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