"President Barack Obama has recently completed the most successful foreign policy tour since Napoleon's retreat from Moscow. You name it, he blew it. What was his big deal economic programme that he was determined to drive through the G20 summit? Another massive stimulus package, globally funded and co-ordinated. Did he achieve it? Not so as you'd notice. Barack is not the first New World ingenue to discover that European leaders will load him with praise, struggle sycophantically to be photographed with him and outdo him in Utopian rhetoric. But when it comes to the critical moment of opening their wallets - suddenly it is flag-day in Aberdeen. Okay, put the G20 down to inexperience, beginner's nerves, what you will."
He continues:
"Then came the dramatic bit, the authentic West Wing script, with the President wakened in the middle of the night in Prague to be told that Kim Jong-il had just launched a Taepodong-2 missile. America had Aegis destroyers tracking the missile and could have shot it down. But Uncle Sam had a sterner reprisal in store for l'il ole Kim (as Dame Edna might call him): a multi-megaton strike of Obama hot air.
"Rules must be binding," declared Obama, referring to the fact that Kim had just breached UN Resolutions 1695 and 1718. "Violations must be punished." (Sounds ominous.) "Words must mean something." (Why, Barack? They never did before, for you - as a cursory glance at your many speeches will show.)
President Pantywaist is hopping mad and he has a strategy to cut Kim down to size: he is going to slice $1.4bn off America's missile defence programme, presumably on the calculation that Kim would feel it unsporting to hit a sitting duck, so that will spoil his fun." - Gerald Warner
I'd say he pretty much nailed it. He didn't mince words either -- he called our POTUS a monkey! So he either doesn't have a clue that our esteem racism chasers (with low self-esteem) consider it quite offensive to use the word monkey to describe a black man or he doesn't give a flying fig about political correctness. But he really needn't worry because our esteemed racism chaser will never know because the MSM will not tell them.
Even more interesting than this article are the comments. Apparently, these folks understand that our national security has been compromised. These are so rich I simply must share:
The Obamas are looking more and more like Blair clones where everything is an act, a sound-bite performance optimised for the meedja.No doubt their impact on America will be as disastrous as the Blair years were for us.See ya! Chav Dad & Minger Mam
April 10, 2009 11:42 AM GMT
Oh, for the good old days of George Bush. If only he was around to blast Korean missiles, nuke the Iranians, and alienate all the allies. The Dubya policy of bomb first and don't even think about the consequences worked so well. Gerald has not realised that the USA is no longer a super power. The days when it could wage medium sized wars all over the world whenever it wanted to have gone. It is now totally dependent on both its allies and its enemies. It can neither: dare to upset the Chinese, the Russians, or the oil rich Arabs; nor can it go into another war without support of its allies. Patrick
April 10, 2009 12:32 PM GMT
Obama has yet to realise that our European "allies" consider British, Canadian and American troops as cannon fodder. Should Britain be foolish enough to subscribe to an EU army guess who would be put into the front line? The Germans have the capability, but not the will, the French prefer to send the Foreign Legion into sticky situations, and the Italians are just that, the Italians. Anthony Bootle
April 10, 2009 12:39 PM GMT
Got to be so careful these days Gerald, using "monkey" on the same page - in the same sentence no less - as a reference to the black U.S. president ... I recall a cartoonist who did that in the New York Post a short while ago, referring to a recently deceased (shot by police) New Jersey chimpanzee ... a furore erupted shortly thereafter.Can't believe there won't be someone, somewhere that isn't going to get upset ... Littlewoods UK My Opinion
April 10, 2009 12:50 PM GMT
Actually they will not be angry with the Author Gerald they will give me the beatdown for reprinting here...ask me if I care. Ok two more I these are my favorites:
Even one as stupid as Obama must realise that he would be literally signing his death warrant if he screws with Mossad.When he cosies up to Iran's Ahmadenijad and lectures the world about how much the Islamic Republic is within its rights to develop its own power sources, then the Israeli trigger-fingers will start to itch.Nothing is surer. But has he any brains? DeLyon
President Pantywaist says it all!! Obummer is a weak, tough-talking, non-delivering bag of hot air and it didn't take long for our enemies to discover it. Putin must be rubbing his hands together in glee. Obummer will be a disaster for this country, on the other hand, he is the right color for the left and doesn't his wife dress well!! Dynah Moe Humm
April 10, 2009 12:58 PM GMT
If only Obama supporters had this type of critical thinking and insight as it pertains to their Idol-In-Chief.
98 comments:
No doubt Obama is bad news but I am willing to give him some time on the international front in dealing with Islamic terrorism and the like..
He has been consistently sending in drones to eliminate brutal islamic terrorists in Pakistan and that is good...also, the fact that he stated that he will be leaving 50000 troops in Iraq is smart stuff...and his continuing support of the war in Afghanistan is to be applauded...
Hopefully he will wisen to how dangerous the Iranian leadership is there...
As for his economic and social policies...well, they are brutal to say the least...
[quote]New Surrender Monkey on the Block[/quote]
CBW:
Please, by all means - CHANGE YOUR TITLE.
You know that the usual suspects are going to focus on that word that makes them feel inferior as a means of avoiding the substance of what you have posted.
We are not allowed to use the term "monkey" now that CHANGE has come.
The Obama Buyer's Remorse is setting in:
Obama Is Naive - Sorry To Say This
Written by Dr.Kenny Iwunwa.
I am sorry America, but our new leader is going to down in history as the weakest president this nation has ever had.
Hilary Clinton was right. When your phone ring at 4.00AM in the morning...who would you rather have pick it up? Is he ready to serve? Recent incidents points me to say a big "NO".
He is more interested in keeping his celebrity image and appeasement message than he is in strong leadership. His wife is new a super model.lol. Obama can talk to the press and deal with the congress but he is weak in dealing with real world leaders. Do not rush me. I will mention those issues at the end of this article. Just read on.....
I voted for him. I liked his message then. I stiil like him as a person now. I think he is cool brother. Women think he is cute. And the dude comes off like a saint who's got a going on.
OUR WEAKNESSS AS PEOPLE
Goosh, he spent few years studying how to pocket America. He knows we are an emotional nation. He went for it and got every single person that he needed. He played on our emotions. He realized that we are a people that love those that comfort us. We love sympathy. We love cool dudes. We love those that tells us that things will be okay. That is why we love pastors when they say we will have a breakthrough...lol. Yeah right!. We love those that tells us that our fate is not our faults. So, Obama knew it all and came out to buy us. He did. He gave many sermons on the mount. It was like watching ladies in the church when their pastor is preaching a pro-women marriage sermon. They look like they had married their pastors, but until they see him divorce his wife.
HE STAYED THE COURSE:
But Obama came out swinging with a tripple-barrel attack of the cool and trimmed style of Clinton; the eloquence of Reagan and the emotional annointing of Martin Luther King. And people like you and I and our children ran out to the streets to hail him. Would you blame us? We did not know any better.
Some people called him the present day Christ. Some said he is God sent. Others sold their dresses and shoes to donate cash. Families were divided. Kids broke away from their parents who cautioned against such uncontrolled blizzard. We could not get enough of him. Me too. Was I fooled? I hope not.
HIS DOWN TIMES:
Obama had a few tough times. When he seemed to be dying after the drama with his spiritual father, Rev. Jeremiah Wright (the man that knew him too well), we helped to lift him up. And again, after he went went during his friend's Ayers saga, we helped. Lastly, when it was discovered that ACORN (his support group) was a clandestine voter registration foundation, we again help him. Nothing bothered us about him. Black people were blinded by his color, ladies were blinded by his coolness and whites were blinded by his message. We became zombies.
We failed to question our guts and gave deaf ears to our inner convictions. I was guilty of that sin. If you are reading this, chances are that you are also guilty of the same sin.
THE MEDIA SIN:
CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, New York Times, and all the other Times, helped to build a messiahic monster out of him. He became unbeatable. McCain had a more meaningful (but non emotional) matured message. But who cared about an old man's raps...lol.
The chief loser was Hilary Clinton. She was robbed by the media. Chris Mathew and Keith Olberman and the rest of CNN, MSNBC crew joined hands to rob her. Sorry, Hil. That was the pettiest drama ever on television. Though, I voted for Obama but watching these two men (Mathew/ Olberman) at that time was like watching kids and their mom at McDonalds. Chris Mathews was like a little Chimpanze clinging unto her mommy for milk, while Olberman looked like a missing dog with an eyeglass looking for a master. Clinton was misquoted and mistreated day and night. They did. . They wanted the love of black people in USA. They needed that spotlight and Obama's candidacy made it easier for both. Oh, what a glory we have in Obama! Together, they led him throught the shadow of the valley of death. And in the end, a cool dude had a face-off with McCain.
THE PROMISES:
Along the way Obama promised more than God ever did in the bible. He promised water to the waterless. Food to the hunger. Sight to the blind. Legs to the lame. Skin to the leper. Husband to the widow and children to the childless. Obama also promised peace to Iraq, Iran and N.Korea, Afghanistan and told Africa there will be no more hunger. He promised free education, Free healthcare and in fact, he promised life without end to everyone that came to him with a need. He covered his wing well. Goosh, he was damn crafty to survive.
MY VOTE, YOUR VOTE:
I went out to vote. I was not mad that he won. I was glad. I am still glad for him and want him to succeed. I was up all night because McCain could not have won anyway. How was that ever going to happen? First, he picked a cute looking Chihuahua as VP. Secondly, America needed to come out he Bush and saw a safe heaven in the Barack. Nothing could have made Mccain presidency possible. The nation was given no option but Obama - the new found messiah. Bsed that drama, I was okay with my vote. George Bush left us without a choice.
THINGS HAVE NOT CHANGED:
But after the votes and the results was out...things have changed. The day has broken. Truth is here. The real Obama is with us and he is no messaih. He has no miracle. He has no healing powers. He has no answers for the many things he promised. Our pain is still our pain. You bills havent changed. Your energy company is still sending high bills.
The rich is still getting richer. The banks are taking bailout money and you are not. You will remain poor until you find a way to get rich or you die poor. Your job is not come back. Forget it. Find another or start a business. Join network marketing or form some form of investment club witht eh litle cash you have at hand. Last time, I provided you guys with alternatives to saving on every thing. Today, I will add this auto repair savings: http://www.kensautoregister.com/. Next time, I will talk about savings on groceries, clothes and shoes. I never stopped ranting until we come of this together. I am the president of the common class with onformation on how to get real help. No politiking.
Oh, no, he did not cause the problems but no, he is not solving them either. Only corporate America are sharing their bonuses. Not you. Not me. America has not changed. The over-night medicine man is human like you and I. The new messiah is weak. He has been exposed.
SAME OLD, SAME OLD POLITICIANS:
First, everyone he appointed to cabinet position, except few have issues with tax evation, including our treasury secretary- the man who will heal our finances...lol. By our counting, about 40% of Obama's cabinet appointees and staff members had had one type of problem or the other with tax but was never found out. All them claimed it was oversight. ..(lol). Yes, it was. The VP himself never gave out more than $1,000 anually in his entire life to charity. It was oversight too.
WHAT MATTERS:
But again, none of those things bother me as much as knowing that President Obama is weak and naive. He seems to cool and yet, unsure of what to do with this generation of co-leaders. Sitting in between N. KOREA, Iran, Russia, Venezuala,China, France and Germany, America looks like a dying life tree. We are fast becoming a nation of beggars and country of appeasement. Once a cornerstone is about to become a debris of an empire- a nation that has lost its salt. Chi anyi ekwena alu mee" (an Ibo language exclamation that says 'God forbid that a bad thing should happen in the land of great men')
OBAMA'S IDEA OF AMERICA:
In Obama's hand, America is no longer a great voice but a choir member with a treble note. Obama is more like a little child explaining why he broke his master's ceramic plate, and had to work had to save money to replace it other than a world leader in control of his national and global destiny.
He has not fully realized what the oval office mean, and how to run it. He thinks that the answer to every need is peace and that pleasing peolple will bring the much needed hope foe this generation. He is wrong. He is still looking at this world from Jeremiah's sermons in Chicago. He is has not awoken to the reality that N.Korea and Russia and Iran are a team on one corner while USA is standing as the only outspoken and primetime road block to human destruction.
Peace with an evil empire only last for a moment until a Pharoah that does not know Joseph emerge as the new leader of the same evil nation.(Bible story)
WHAT KIND OF LEADER DO WE NEED?
He is no match for Kim, Ahmadenijad, Putin (forget Medved), Sarkozy and or even Markel. He is no match to the new Israeli PM, Netanyahu. I do not want to believe that we wasted our votes. I do not think that America's problems are only at home. Rather, I believe that that what will destroy this greatest nation on God's green earth is going to come from outside America. This nation therefore need a leader that can stand out, speak, act and stay still without shaking. He must seek peace when possible and be aggressive when neccessary. American leader should be taking orders from anyone else. Obama may end up becoming an errand boy to the rest of the nations that we use to give orders. That will be a sad prophecy!
N. KOREA ASSAULT:
President Obama has shown signs of weakness and small mind. Was it a coincidence or a real insult when N.Korea blatantly kidded him last week? Kim called his statement a rant and went ahead to launch his missile anyway. That to me was a real test. KIM did not stop there. He went further to warn that if America take any action, he would step up to cause havock. He won the same day our president was adressing world leaders on nuclear disarmament. Obama ranted and flew back with his fortunate new American supermodel wife, Michelle. What a leader of the free world!
IRAN FLEDGING CHEST:
Then Iran annouced yesterday that it has made progress with nuke. Another slam and slap on Obama's face. What has Obama said so far? Nothing that made sense. He wants to sit down and make peace with Iran and hear their demands. He does not know what Iran is asking for. Obama is new . But I know what they want. First, They want to erase Israel or relocate the Jews. Second, Iran want to be alowed to act as independent nation that should be allowed to develop their own nuke when and how they need it. Thirtd, they want to be recognized as world leader and be among the G-7 or 8. Finally, they want to change the world to Islam.
So, now let us begin to discuss these here before president Obama opens his mouth to make his long speech that will please an unknown enemy. He has no clue what to do. War may not be the answer but his appeasement style is not always for this present world. He is not ready. Hilary was right: When you phone ring at 4 AM in the morning...who would rather have answer? Who is answering our phone at 4.AM. Clinton is a prophetess.
CHAVEZ:
These unified mean leaders are playing with Obama. Mark my word. After Iran, Chavez is next. He will try something new. Then America will go to please him. And little by little, they will get everything that they want.
THE SOMALI PIRATES! What....is that? Who are they?:
Can you believe that Somali Pirates are holing a US ship captain hostage? Can you believe that we have a president in oval office? I do not like G.W but can you imagine GW in office now? When will Obama prove that he can lead America? In his speech? How Where? How many are these pirates anyway? Under whose law are they operating? What right do they have over the waters of the earth? What weapons do they have? Who are afraid of? Where do they come from? Where do they live? Do we know their leaders? Do they have a land base? Do we need permsion from Somali to proect American lives?
I QUESTION MY VOTE:
Did we vote a man or a kid into office? I miss GW. Do you miss him too. In case our president does not know what to do, I know. Yes, it has happened in the past and president Jefferson ordered an all out destrution. Obama wants to hold talks with criminals too.
This president with his cool message is out of touch with reality. He is weak.....
I forgot to mention Dr. Dr. Kenny Iwunwa is Black.
Robert~Thank you for sharing that article here is the line that made my hair stand on end:
"Once a cornerstone is about to become a debris of an empire- a nation that has lost its salt
We certainly have because the salt of this nation-- it's Christians failed to do there job of being the salt of the earth. We as Christians have lost our saltiness and Black american Christians cast their vote for based on the need for a black POTUS and negated the Spirit of God within them. As long as I live I will not understand it. Truly, my closest friends the strongest Christian men I know exercised absolutely no spiritual discernment regarding how they would vote in this election--scary.
CBW:
You said "We as Christians have lost our saltiness and Black american Christians cast their vote for based on the need for a black POTUS and negated the Spirit of God within them."
A prominent black pastor, an Obama opponent, in New York City said that those blacks "love their blackness more than they love Jesus."
@CBW:
"So he either doesn't have a clue that our esteem racism chasers (with low self-esteem) consider it quite offensive to use the word monkey to describe a black man or he doesn't give a flying fig about political correctness."
Two things here.
1. Are you trying to deny the fact that in the west (Yes even in Europe) that people of Black African ancestry WERE NOT referred to as monkeys as a racial insult?
2. Are further saying that if a White person chooses NOT to use the word monkey in reference to a Black man because of said history they are being "Politically Correct"?
@CF:
"We are not allowed to use the term "monkey" now that CHANGE has come."
Well I guess its o.k. with you that rappers and black comedians continue to use the words B*tch and H@ when referring to our mothers, daughters and sisters, and o.k. for them to use the word N!&&@ when referring to us in general. Why not, no need for "political correctness" right?
@CF:
"So to be clear they don't "Love Their Blackness" they simply are SHROUDING THEIR HATRED around notions of "Pro-Blackness"."
So those of us who take a degree of pride in our African ancestry are "shrouding our hatred"? Fascinating. So because I actually have pride in my ancestry from Makeda and Menelik or my Bantu ancestors from West Africa or the fact that my ancestors survived and sacrificed so that I may have opportunity today to do the things they couldn't, I am "shrouding my hatred"?
Wow, I didn't know that.
Might not be the best place for this but since Easter is so close I thought id share today's RBC minstries daily bread with y'all. So for a sec, take break from beating each other up and be encouraged.=D kthxbye
April 11, 2009
The Day With No Name
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READ: Romans 8:18-25
If we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. —Romans 8:25
In Louisiana, a woman lies buried beneath a grove of 150-year-old oak trees in the cemetery of an Episcopal church. Only one word is carved on her tombstone: “Waiting.”
A friend of mine knows an elderly pastor who delivered a stirring Good Friday sermon titled “It’s Friday, but Sunday’s Comin’.” In a cadence that increases in tempo and volume, his sermon contrasts how the world looked on Friday—when the forces of evil seemed to have triumphed—with how it looked on Sunday. The disciples who lived through both days never doubted God again. They learned that when God seems most absent, He may be closest of all.
The sermon skips one day, though—Saturday—the day with no name. What the disciples lived through in small scale, we now live through on cosmic scale. It’s Saturday on planet earth; will Sunday ever come?
That dark, Golgothan Friday can only be called good because of what happened on Sunday. Easter opened up a crack in a universe winding down toward decay. And someday God will enlarge the miracle of Easter to cosmic scale.
Meanwhile, we wait in hopeful anticipation, living out our days on Saturday, the in-between day with no name.
It’s Saturday. But Sunday’s comin’. —Philip Yancey
Dark was the night—sin warred against us!
Heavy the load of sorrow we bore;
But now we see signs of His coming—
Our hearts glow within us, joy’s cup runneth o’er! —Camp
© Renewal 1941 Norman Camp.
God took the worst deed of history and turned it into the greatest victory.
@CBW:
"We as Christians have lost our saltiness and Black american Christians cast their vote for based on the need for a black POTUS and negated the Spirit of God within them"
I don't even know if I want to ask you this, BUT are you Saying that the Holy Ghost was guiding people to vote for someone else? And if so, WHO? (Please keep in mind Matthew 12.31 before you answer that question)
CBW, as always on the cutting edge!
DJBA, you are as blind as a bat!
DJBA~ You write:
1. Are you trying to deny the fact that in the west (Yes even in Europe) that people of Black African ancestry WERE NOT referred to as monkeys as a racial insult?<=====No. But because I know that I'm not a monkey I am not sensitive if a white person uses the word monkey in my presense or refers to any person as a monkey white or black. It's a rude thing to call someone just as it is rude to call someone an idiot which is could be used interchangeable in the context of the Warner's article.
2. Are further saying that if a White person chooses NOT to use the word monkey in reference to a Black man because of said history they are being "Politically Correct"?<----I certainly am. We both know it is politically incorrect to call a black person a monkey but there is no such standard of PC'ness as it relates to calling a white person a monkey (as GW Bush was called numerous times)
If a white person is referred to as a monkey as in the case of Bush it simply means he is a blundering idiot. If a black person is called a monkey it's a racial slur. So yes the collective self-esteem of black folks is injured when it comes to the use of the word monkey. What's the harm in admitting that?
Also regarding your responses to CF, why is it ok with the civil rights industrial complex for black rappers to call us all manner of vile names and their is no outcry, but the NYTimes are prints a monkey cartoon and the same CRIC is outraged. What does that say about self-hatred and self-esteem?
Lastly you asked me "I don't even know if I want to ask you this, BUT are you Saying that the Holy Ghost was guiding people to vote for someone else? And if so, WHO? (Please keep in mind Matthew 12.31 before you answer that question)" and I we dealt with this yesterday. I don't believe that any informedChristian operating under the unction of the Holy Spirit could vote for Barack Obama without grieving the Spirit of God within--now they may have tickled some other spirit but the Spirit of God. So yes, the Holy Spirit lead me to vote for someone else based on the knowledge that I have. But He may have lead others not to vote at all and were it not for Sarah Palin I would not have voted at all.
Bombeado~You are absolutely correct...Sunday is coming and I can't wait!!!! Thanks for your "saltiness". I love God's people.
@DigitalPublisus:
"DJBA, you are as blind as a bat!"
Coming from a willfully ignorant cretin who "sees" only what his tenuous grasp of reality can apprehend, I'll take that as a compliment.
@CBW:
CBW wrote: “<=====No. But because I know that I'm not a monkey I am not sensitive if a white person uses the word monkey in my presense or refers to any person as a monkey white or black. It's a rude thing to call someone just as it is rude to call someone an idiot which is could be used interchangeable in the context of the Warner's article.”
Rude and purposely using racially charged imagery are two entirely different things. I guess we will just have to divide on this one. Do I think the writer is intelligent enough to know the difference? I would think so, I just think he didn’t give a crap and wanted as much attention as he could garner. Cretinism at its best.
CBW Continues with: “"?<----I certainly am. We both know it is politically incorrect to call a black person a monkey but there is no such standard of PC'ness as it relates to calling a white person a monkey (as GW Bush was called numerous times) If a white person is referred to as a monkey as in the case of Bush it simply means he is a blundering idiot.”
CBW, we have had this talk before, it is different because it is different, simple as that. Calling a white person a n!&&@ is quite different then calling a Black person one, just how it is, words have meaning, we subjectively pour into them, historical context is what it is, we didn’t make history, we do have to acknowledge it. It’s not a matter of “PC’ness” it is a matter of respect. I am not Polish, I don’t call Polish people “pollocks” not because I am being PC, I have no reason to knowing damn well what imagery that language utilizes.
CBW wrote: “Also regarding your responses to CF, why is it ok with the civil rights industrial complex for black rappers to call us all manner of vile names and their is no outcry, but the NYTimes are prints a monkey cartoon and the same CRIC is outraged. What does that say about self-hatred and self-esteem?”
I think from C Delores Tucker to now there have been quite a few Black people from the Civil Rights movement who have been very clear and vocal in their opposition of such terminology and imagery being used by rappers and comedians or even just the average person on the street, so I don’t follow you on that. To me it is worse when Black people use that terminology to refer to each other, simply because it empowers all the moronic right wingers to feel the need to use words, terminology and imagery that they just shouldn’t use by hiding behind the “I’m not PC” banner. It is sophomoric and inane.
And lastly you wrote: “I don't believe that any informedChristian operating under the unction of the Holy Spirit could vote for Barack Obama without grieving the Spirit of God within”
Well, I am quite informed, and though I don’t always listen to the Spirit of the Most High God (as most Christians DON’T) I do know this much, that GOD sees no difference in the current governments of men on this world. As for the Conservatives and the Liberals, NIETHER is forwarding the will of God, at least the left isn’t being hypocritical and claiming that they do.
[quote]I forgot to mention Dr. Dr. Kenny Iwunwa is Black.[/quote]
Robert:
I am actually disappointed that you felt it necessary to make this qualification.
Are his words any less true because he is Black?
I look toward his doctorate and the consistency of his message than I'd expect his race to contribute toward his vetting as an authoritative voice on our president.
[quote]So those of us who take a degree of pride in our African ancestry are "shrouding our hatred"? Fascinating. So because I actually have pride in my ancestry from Makeda and Menelik or my Bantu ancestors from West Africa or the fact that my ancestors survived and sacrificed so that I may have opportunity today to do the things they couldn't, I am "shrouding my hatred"?[/quote]
DJ BA - you are a smart guy. Don't diminish this view that I have of you by molesting a clear statement for gamesmanship.
The parallels of how GROUP BEHAVIOR work between Black and White and others who are engaged in power struggles is clear.
Just as White folks have a history of gathering together after being "disrespected" by some racial slight and then the world saw their anger congeal into a "Dead Black Man" somewhere - the basic elements of this behavior are present within certain groups of Blacks. Do you think that the violent protests seen in Oakland several months ago in which windows were smashed in tribute to Oscar Grant was a PEACE MARCH?
Indeed the CONTEXT where in the past the WHITE FOLKS were able to operate with impunity per the arraignment of the government at that time and thus when they KILLED A BLACK MAN they knew that they could get away with it as the system gave them its blessing.
Today it would be INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST to fail to note that the offspring of these White folks from the past CANNOT KILL A BLACK after a rally and do so with impunity in 2009. Thus is it the change in POLITICAL/JUDICIAL/CULTURAL CLIMATE which has put an end to this practice by and large.
So, in the case of Steve - to constantly refer to the LYNCHED BLACK MEN OF THE PAST as proof that White folks have this in them as thus we should not be fooled by the present calm can't be justified as it doesn't hold up to universal inspection. Certainly in Haiti and in parts of Africa - HUMAN BEINGS with our genetic traits display their capacity of mob rule and savagery - just as the White lynch mobs of the past in America have displayed.
Thus we can only say that the Black mobs - as were seen in the Rodney King riots, for example, showed violent tendencies but just didn't kill anyone. (I am sure that Reginald Denny, the White guy who got beaten upside the head with a brick would attest to this).
[Note: Here is where Steve using his "Reverse Nigger Lover" tactic and accuses me of always seeking JUSTICE FOR WHITE FOLKS]
In truth - I am showing the BASIC HUMANITY OF THE BLACK MAN and thus indicating the fact that we suffer from the very same motivations that our White counterparts do both as individuals and in groups.
@CF:
"DJ BA - you are a smart guy. Don't diminish this view that I have of you by molesting a clear statement for gamesmanship."
Not trying to molest your "clear" statement, just trying to understand what you were really trying to say. In all actuality CF, you know I don't think you are a self hater, I think you have a genuine concern for African Americans, and we seem to agree that the Democratic party should be held accountable to its base, as Black people being part of that base, they either need to see better results or change their allegiances. I was truly unclear of where you were going with that "pro black" comment you made. You have cleared it up for me at least.
"In truth - I am showing the BASIC HUMANITY OF THE BLACK MAN and thus indicating the fact that we suffer from the very same motivations that our White counterparts do both as individuals and in groups."
This is a statement I can agree with; such is the nature of HUMANS. However, daring to speak for Steve, I would think he is trying to communicate the actuality that historically speaking and sociologically speaking, that in the United States, Whites have had control of the institutions and policies that relegated African Americans to 2nd and 3rd class citizenship, and that a significant portion of the GOP seem to miss that status quo, and trying to understand why you and other Black Conservatives seem to look past that so easily.
DJBA~You write:" However, daring to speak for Steve, I would think he is trying to communicate the actuality that historically speaking and sociologically speaking, that in the United States, Whites have had control of the institutions and policies that relegated African Americans to 2nd and 3rd class citizenship, and that a significant portion of the GOP seem to miss that status quo, and trying to understand why you and other Black Conservatives seem to look past that so easily."
It's not easy, I am inclined to suffer the same knee-jerk,viserceral reactions as any other black person born in America but it is unfruitful as well as intellectually and emotionally stifling because this isn't the case anymore. Change has come (long before PSBO) and we need to embrace that change and move forward.
@CBW:
"It's not easy, I am inclined to suffer the same knee-jerk,viserceral reactions as any other black person born in America but it is unfruitful as well as intellectually and emotionally stifling because this isn't the case anymore. Change has come (long before PSBO) and we need to embrace that change and move forward."
First, I'm not so sure that NOT becoming a "conservative" or lining up lockstep with the GOP is a "knee jerk" reaction.
I acknowledge that things HAVE changed, heck I said they Changed back when Colin Powell was just the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff", we have had two Black secretaries of state, one a woman, so of course things HAVE CHANGED. However, they still need to change and are STILL changing, without question.
To acknowledge that a significant part of the GOP base "seem" to hanker back to the day when "Blacks knew their place" is not a knee jerk reaction, it is an observation of people like Buchannan, Limbaugh and Hannity.
As quick as you all seem to like to point out the hypocrisy of people like Jackson, Sharpton or even the vitriol from people like Jeremiah Wright, you conservatives (from my observation) are unnervingly silent when it comes the vitriol from within your party often directed by implication, inferences or out right statement to the African American community.
Constructive Feedback:
I was just showing that Dr. Kenny, a black man who does not even claim to be conservative, has gotten a rude awakening.
[quote]However, daring to speak for Steve, I would think he is trying to communicate the actuality that historically speaking and sociologically speaking, that in the United States, Whites have had control of the institutions and policies that relegated African Americans to 2nd and 3rd class citizenship, and that a significant portion of the GOP seem to miss that status quo, and trying to understand why you and other Black Conservatives seem to look past that so easily.[quote]
DJ BA:
Steve has as a fundamental portion of his shtick the assault of those Blacks who disagree with him.
I just watched an excellent documentary of Malcolm X. More than a leader of the NOI he was a SOCIAL SCIENTIST, focused upon Black people.
He hit it out of the ballpark with me when he told of the importance of having Black people link up with our AFRICAN PAST and AFRICA'S PRESENT than to link ourselves with AMERICAN SLAVERY.
I do not try and deny the sordid facts the open brutality of our people when "the Black man had no rights that a White man need respect". At the same time as I look out toward the future and seek to identify a pathway upon which I can use this RACIST PAST as a foundation for a movement forward - I keep coming to a cliff with a deep valley below.
I can think of no people who's core was focused on their past victimization. Instead they focus on what they need to do TODAY to allow them to express their GREATNESS.
I would have loved for Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to fly to England and demand Warner's resignation.
Then they would find out the real origin of "Surrender Monkey."
They would lose their taste for cheeseburgers for a long time.
Uptown:
I made the comment about that black pastor who has an all-black church. You choosing to attack him with talk of white backsides and collection plates shows your shallow thinking. That is nonsense.
Black institutions are not inferior. It is just that people like Cornel West, Michael Eric Dyson, Ron Karenga, Lionel Jeffries, James Cone, etc. act like they are inferior because they all want to get white paychecks.
By the way, there are blacks who are so consumed with racism that in Newark NJ, two BLACK candidates were running against each other. One was a very light-skinned Black man, the other was a dark-skinned Black man. Campaign posters for the dark-skinned man said "VOTE BLACK."
You need some help with your psyche too. You are calling yourself "po ignant."
You disrespect yourself.
Who is this "pastor"?
What's his name?
The whole notion is absurd because black Americans are the most religious people in the world and praying to white Jesus no less.
But black folks just can't win with you black righties no matter what they do.
"Black institutions are not inferior. It is just that people like Cornel West, Michael Eric Dyson, Ron Karenga, Lionel Jeffries, James Cone, etc. act like they are inferior because they all want to get white paychecks."
Of course this is pure lunacy but praytell who do your coonservatives heroes like Sowell, Walter Williams, McWhorter, Star Parker, Larry Elder and Jessie Lee Peterson get their checks from???
Hell, Ward Connerly has been fronted by the damn Bradley Foundation for years and they financed eugenics research.
For God's sake WAKE UP BLACK MAN.
The last "anonymous" was me.
The question is why aren't YOU pro-black?
What's wrong with that?
Aren't YOU black?
And if you can show me where anyone is forced to have an abortion, then I'll believe you have a point.
Robert,
Again what's that pastor's name you were talking about?
You didn't make the whole thing up did you?
Uptownsteve:
You said "The question is why aren't YOU pro-black?"
Not only am I suprised at such a stupid question, you use that as a diversion from my original point about Cornel West, et al.
As a person who used to be a member of Rainbow PUSH, spent much time at a pro-black radio station, worked for a black newspaper for years, helped a black editor with her black newspaper too, worked with two black candidates for political office, I would say that being pro-black with me must be a superficial Uncle Tom casual hobby.
So why are Cornel West, et al. are all on the white man's payroll? Forgot about Larry Elder, etc. I'm talking the pro-blackest of the black here.
The pastor is James David Manning of the black Atlah church in Harlem.
I would not make that up. Neither am I making up the fact that abortion is the number one cause of deaths in the black community and is being used to reduce the black population. I'm surprised you are not outraged as I am with my casual pro-blackness.
BTW righties,
Do any of you have the character to give President Obama his props in sending in the Navy to rescue Capt. Phillips after calling the Prez every name in the book outside of a "skerred nigga."
Obama just keeps on winning and the righties just keep on hatin and cryin.
"So why are Cornel West, et al. are all on the white man's payroll?"
Are you asking why he is employed by an institution that is run by white people?
Well you might as well ask that of tens of millions of other black folk.
Given that we're 12% of the US population, it's bound to happen on occassion.
Robert,
So you're actually quoting this jagoff, eh?
"Manning came to public attention in the 2008 presidential election after ATLAH posted several sermons of his that were harshly critical of Democratic candidate Barack Obama on the website YouTube.[8][9] Among other accusations, he called Obama a "good House Negro" in one sermon[10] while in another he referred to Obama as "trash" due to his mixed race heritage and accused him of being a "pimp" (pimping "white women and black women") and "long-legged mack daddy," and an "emissary of the devil", citing the viral video "I Got a Crush... on Obama".[11] He stated that Obama "has the cadence of an Islamic person,"[12] and he called Obama's mother "trash" for becoming pregnant by a black man out of wedlock.[13] Manning revisited this latter issue during a press conference at the National Press Club on 8 December 2008: "Generally the most noble of white society choose not to intercourse sexually with African men. So it's usually the trashier ones who make their determinations that they're going to have sex."[14]
Manning defended his sermons in an interview on Fox News, saying that "we also have to talk about his character."[15]
He compared TV personality Oprah Winfrey, who supported Obama's campaign, to the Whore of Babylon,[9] the "Queen of the Universe", and the Antichrist.[16]"
And of course, Fox TV gave him a forum.
Pathetic.
Uptownsteve:
I do give Obama his props in sending the Navy to rescue the captain, even despite the fact that Uncle Tom sellout butt-kisser Congressman John Conyers recently called him "embarassingly naive" and despite the fact that he is expanding the war in Afghanistan, something that people who supported Obama did not expect, and killing people in Pakistan.
(Go back through the posts and see "Obama Is Naive - Sorry To Say This" which was written by a black man who voted for Obama.)
As to Cornel West, he was asked to teach at Harvard University. He replied by saying that the Boston area lacked black culture for him so he declined. A short time he was offered almost $300,000 a year to teach there. Boston suddenly got black enough for him. It got black enough when it got green enough.
He is not pro-black. He is pro-green.
Uptownsteve:
"Jagoff" is a white man's term used by the white boys in my old high school.
No self-respecting black man would ever use that word.
Talk pro-black please. I already added to your vocabulary when you are tempted to want to impress people more colorful words other than "sellout."
"Do any of you have the character to give President Obama his props in sending in the Navy to rescue Capt. Phillips after calling the Prez every name in the book outside of a "skerred nigga."
I give him credit for finally giving the OK to the Navy Seal sharp shooters to wipe out the pirates. Even though it took 5 days there was a happy ending. KUDOs President Barack Obama! I was going to write a blog about everyone else is...so I may not.
@Uptown:
You wrote: "But black folks who do nothing but attack, vilify and denigrate anything and everything black are sellouts and hustlers of the worse kind."
I wrote to CBW: "As quick as you all seem to like to point out the hypocrisy of people like Jackson, Sharpton or even the vitriol from people like Jeremiah Wright, you conservatives (from my observation) are unnervingly silent when it comes the vitriol from within your party often directed by implication, inferences or out right statement to the African American community."
This article was excellent, CBW.
I give kudos to the U.K. media for telling the facts that the American MSM would never tell about their beloved President.
And how nice of Obama to give the OK to wipe out those ragtag pirates! Obamabots everywhere are congratulating the Prez for doing his job! lol Wow!! And this comes just days after he answers North Korea's missile launch by vowing to cut our defense spending!
Liberals, you elected a nut.
"It is the blacks who refused to protest the 4 black students who were shot (3 dead) by an illegal alien in New Jersey in 2007. No outrage.
It is the blacks who refused to protest the torture and sexual assault of the Haitian woman in West Palm Beach, Florida in 2007 by several black thugs. No outrage."
LIES.
There was plenty of outrage about both of those abominations.
You are just trying to create a strawman because Jesse or Al didn't march.
BTW, don't we pay cops to fight crime?
"Liberals, you elected a nut."
No Katrina sweetie.
Americans elected a new President that confused black folks like you can't accept because you're so used to being led around by white folks.
Get up off your knees andj oin us in the millenium my sista.
Black folks are running things now.
CBW
"I give him credit for finally giving the OK to the Navy Seal sharp shooters to wipe out the pirates. Even though it took 5 days there was a happy ending."
Maybe you would have felt better if he would have hung a "Mission Accomplished" banner 5 days ago.
@uptownsteve
I have followed your comments on CBWs blog for a while now and I can certainly see why you love Obama so much.
I know it kills you that every black person doesn't participate in 'groupthink' and some of us actually make their decisions based on **GASP** their own personal feelings as opposed to the color of their skin!
If Obama were white, I would rip him all the same.
Again I say, liberals you elected a NUT.
And in typical liberal fashion, I see most Obama lovers resort to name-calling and insults as opposed to actually addressing the contents of a post.
Shocking.
Katrina,
Maybe I'm weird but after the clusterfuck the Republicans dropped on the nation over the last eight years, any change would be welcome.
The fact that it came in the form of a brilliant, handsome, incandescent black man makes it even more special.
What kills me is that Obama keeps winning and succeeding, his poll numbers keep going up and you black righties STILL refuse to give him his props.
I see even white Republicans that I work and do business coming around and supporting him.
You keep up your ridiculous hating and you're just going to look like sad antebellum minstrels.
@uptownsteve,
Stop generalizing. Just because one doesn't like Obama doesn't mean they were in love with Bush.
And if it was a choice between being a minstrel and blindly backing a man who is selling this country down the river than put me on the minstrel list.
You can have that socialist, incompetent man if you wanna.
We certainly did need change, just not the foolishness your President is passing off as 'change'.
Katrina,
And the ranting continues.
Obama is neither socialist or incompetent.
And it was Bush and the Rethugs who sold this country down the river.
Starting with SCOTUS case Bush v Gore 2000 which for ever tainted the high court.
To the Iraq war and the lies that led us into it and keep us mired there 7 years later.
The deregulation of Wall Street which led to our current economic collapse, the incompetence of the federal response to the Katrina disaster, torture of detainees, the Patriot Act which abrdiges Civil liberties, the neglect of the environment the failure to even explore new energy sources etc....
Obama would have to consciously endeavor to screw up as bad as the Republicans.
UTS~I was trying not to indulge my tendency critize your "man-crush" in the person of Pres. Barack Obama but since you mention it...Hell to the yeah I would have been happier if the Mission accomplished banner were hung 5 days ago. This captain & crew were captured by thugs and the courageous Capt. Phillips somehow convinced them to set his crew free I'm sure thinking that he would be rescued shortly thereafter, but no help was forthcoming so this man had to take matters into his own hands and try to save himself by diving into the shark invested waters of the Indian Ocean and try and swim to saftey (Day 3) still no help. I can't help but wonder what PSBO was doing besides "talking about housing now, guys" I'm thinking he and his puppeteers were wasting valuable time and resources dithering for the next two days, most likely consulting with his advisers (higher up puppeteers) to determine what was in the situation that would benefit him personally...and they were successful. That darn Emmanuel really nailed it when he said "never let a crisis go to waste". You my dear are eating right of the palm of PSBO & Company's "left" hand. ROFLMBAO.....
Oh wait, I guess I'n not supposed to have any compassion for Capt. Phillips because he is white, right? Nevermind that he is some woman's husband, a father and a son..he is white and since he must hate black people. Therefore, I should have just been praying that the east african poor men compelled to turn to crime on the high seas because of American imperialism would have killed him or let the sharks eat him. By golly, I think this is finally coming together for me UTS.
LOL@CBW
NOW you get it!
ROFLOL!!!!
omigod CBW.
This has nothing to do with the ship captain being white.
You're starting to talk crazy now.
You're also projecting some kind of "blind love" for Obama on black folks when it's actually your irrational hatred for him which should be the issue.
CBW, Obama rescued Phillips and defused the pirate situation and you still can't unequivocally give him credit.
Obama was in touch with his military commanders the entire time who advised him on the most expeditious path of action.
He succeeded and it's STILL not good enough for you.
UTS~I said as much -- I said "Even though it took 5 days there was a happy ending. KUDOs President Barack Obama!"
I was really trying to be positive and I had even decided to leave it alone and not post about but noooooo you had to go and tempt me to say what I was really thinking. Here is what I give your man crush in the person of Barack Obama(well, really his puppeteers) for being smart as a fox. For deftly handling not only the insipid media but all of you infatuated drones. The next 4 years are going to so entertaining for me. I may as well laugh about it because it just not healthy to do otherwise.
oops I meant to say here is what I give your man-crush credit for....
"Even though it took 5 days there was a happy ending. KUDOs President Barack Obama!""
Right.
Ol Ronnie Reagan would have been there in an hour, right?
Even though he didn't do SHIT after terrorists bombed our embassy in Lebanaon in 1983 killing almost 400 Americans.
And let's not even discuss Bush 6 years after "Mission Accomplished".
Do you righties have any connection with reality at all?
@Uptown:
""Even though it took 5 days there was a happy ending. KUDOs President Barack Obama!"
lolololol. You know that the right doesn't like whne you THINK about a military action BEFORE you execute it!
UTS~ You are comparing apples to oranges because this pirate situation was not an afterthought it was happening in real time. The Lebanese terrorist bombed without forewarning. That's how terrorist operate you know, an element of surprise. Reagan wasn't given an opportunity to save the lives of those in the American Embassy. But I'm curious if by not doing shit you mean..."Response:
U.S. President Ronald Reagan called the attack a "despicable act" and pledged to keep a military force in Lebanon. Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, who had privately advised the administration against ever having stationed U.S. Marines in Lebanon,[14] said there would be no change in the U.S.'s Lebanon policy. On October 24 French President François Mitterrand visited the French bomb site. It was not an official visit, and he only stayed for a few hours, but he did declare: "We will stay." U.S. Vice President George H. W. Bush toured the Marine bombing site on October 26 and said the U.S. "would not be cowed by terrorists."
In retaliation for the attacks, France launched an airstrike in the Beqaa Valley against alleged Islamic Revolutionary Guards positions. President Reagan assembled his national security team and planned to target the Sheik Abdullah barracks in Baalbek, Lebanon, which housed Iranian Revolutionary Guards believed to be training Hezbollah fighters.[15] A joint American-French air assault on the camp where the bombing was planned was also approved by Reagan and Mitterrand. Defense Secretary Weinberger, however, lobbied successfully against the missions.
According to some observers, there was no serious retaliation for the Beirut bombing from the Americans,[16] besides a few shellings. In December 1983, U.S. aircraft from the U.S.S. Enterprise CVN-65 battle group attacked Syrian targets in Lebanon, but this was in response to Syrian missile attacks on planes, not the barracks bombing. Multi service Ground support units were withdrawn from Beirut post attack on the marine barracks due to retalitory threats. However, according to noted British anti-Imperialist author Robert Fisk, the retaliation for the bombing was severe, with hundreds of Lebanese civilians killed by the American and French shells and bombs in indiscriminate bombings. [17]
In the meantime, the attack gave a boost to the growth of the Shi'ite organization Hezbollah. Hezbollah denied involvement in the attacks but was seen by Lebanese as involved nonetheless as it praised the "two martyr mujahideen" who "set out to inflict upon the U.S. Administration an utter defeat not experienced since Vietnam ..."[18] Hezbollah was now seen by many as "the spearhead of the sacred Muslim struggle against foreign occupation".
Amal militia leader Nabih Berri, who had previously supported U.S. mediation efforts, asked the U.S. and France to leave Lebanon and accused the U.S. and France of seeking to commit 'massacres' against the Lebanese and creating a "climate of racism" against the Shia.[19] Islamic Jihad phoned in new threats against the MNF "pledging that 'the earth would tremble' unless the MNF withdrew by New Year's Day 1984.[20]
The Marines were moved offshore where they could not be targeted. On February 7, 1984, President Reagan ordered the Marines to begin withdrawal from Lebanon. This was completed on February 26, four months after the barracks bombing; the rest of the Multinational"
I personally consider Casper Weinberg to have been a bit of a turncoat so there is no wonder he called off any serious azz-whoopin' but Reagan approved an attack.
Uptownsteve:
Do you want me to call you "embarrassing naive" like that Uncle Tom, sellout, bootlicker Congressman John Conyers called Obama?
Can you calm down? You don't have to say "LIES." "Lies" will do nicely. But I'm not lying.
There was outrage about West Palm Beach on the black website www.whataboutourdaughters.com. That is where I found out about it.
The woman who owns that site told me she contacted the NAACP about that incident. They told her if it was white thugs who tortured and assaulted that woman, then they would have gotten involved. But since it was several ordinary black thugs who committed the crime, they did not want to get involved.
Black-on-black crime is just not worth their time.
Show me your proof of outrage after that crime did happen.
Also show me your proof that there was outrage (outside of the families and friends of the students) and demand for justice
for the killer of the NJ Black students.
You said "don't we pay cops to fight crime?" It is those cops that the blacks in Oakland who called the cop-killer Lovelle Mixon a "hero" and a "warrior."
Those were the same who did not march and protest Chauncey Bailey's, a black man who cared about his community, killing by a Black Muslim. Again no outrage. The idiot who said "whats the big deal in blacks killing blacks" was happy to see those for 4 Oakland cops dead.
You said "The deregulation of Wall Street which led to our current economic collapse, the incompetence of the federal response to the Katrina disaster, torture of detainees, the Patriot Act which abrdiges Civil liberties, the neglect of the environment the failure to even explore new energy sources etc...."
Can you explain the following video without saying it was made up and a Republican trick?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
Also can you explain this?
"In Warrantless Wiretapping Case, Obama DOJ's New Arguments Are Worse Than Bush's" http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush
And this? "Obama backs Bush 'state secrets' position" http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush
And this? "Obama Moves To Legalize Warrantless Wiretapping!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jSUHVUgJFc
And this? "Obama backs Bush on terror prisoners" http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19099.html
And this? "Obama Continues Bush-Era Extremism on Liberties, Secrecy" http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/15/obama-continues-bush.html
Obama is very intelligent. If were elected President I could not outdo Bush better than Obama could.
Yes he can.
Obama is dropping it like it's hot.
Or maybe I made all that up.
"Hope" and "Change"? Looks more like Rope and Chains.
Also did Obama repeal the Patriot Act? Did he repeal the Military Commissions Act? I guess he will get to that after he housebreaks his new dog.
"My President's Dog is Black!"
Robert~Actually "My President's Dog is Bi-racial" he is black & white....lololololol.
No seriously, Bo or Beau Obama (not sure how they will spell it) is adorable.
Robert,
This is just senseless ranting on your part.
Tell me, what would you like the average law abiding person to do about violent crime which is intraracial across the board?
You won't answer because all you black righties want is for black folks to shut up about racism and concentrate on making ourselves more amenable to white folks.
Why aren't you demanding that white folks protest the killing of the 3 cops (one black) by the white dude in Pittsburgh?
Or the dead white children who seem to be popping up every month in trailer parks?
Or the white looters in Mena, AR after the tornado who were carrying on right in front of the TV cameras???
DJBA
"lolololol. You know that the right doesn't like whne you THINK about a military action BEFORE you execute it!"
Yeah.
They'll just cheer a white Republican who lies to involve us in a military action which has needlessly cost 5000 American lives and countless Iraqis.
Uptownsteve:
You said "This is just senseless ranting on your part."
In other words you don't have an answer to any of the facts, right?
You brought up Wall Street, torture, Katrina, Patriot Act, etc.
Now you don't want to deal with it.
You have to resort the traditional "senseless ranting" retort. This is a case of "Fatal Distraction" because you don't want to deal with the facts I brought up.
What part of Obama continuing Bush's (who I never voted for) policies do you like the most?
We can rag on the white folks later.
Robert,
This is from one of the links YOU posted.
You can't make this stuff up.
"Virtually from the first day Obama was inaugurated, right-wing polemicists have been alternatively accusing him of (a) radically reversing Bush/Cheney Terrorism policies, thereby ensuring that we're all about to be slaughtered by the Terrorists (see Cheney); and (b) fully embracing the Right's Terrorism approach, thereby vindicating the Bush administration's policies and exposing civil liberties criticisms of Bush as hysterical, disingenuous and wrong (see Lowry). That these two accusations are exact opposites -- mutually exclusive -- doesn't seem to bother them at all. Like a patient suffering from acute multiple personality disorder, the Right one minute accuses Obama of being a radical Leftist who wants to cuddle with Terrorists and the next minute accuses him of being Dick Cheney, Jr., eager to torture and detain everyone in sight.
If the last eight years have taught anything, it is that no rational person would listen to or take seriously anything Dick Cheney and his Lowry-like followers have to say. That they're motivated by everything other than the truth when criticizing Obama only bolsters that conclusion."
Uptownsteve:
I love a book called "Worse Than Watergate" by John Dean that details the evils of the Bush presidency. I even recommended it to someone who hated Bush. I already said clearly I did not vote for Bush, neither for his father, so don't lump me as a Bush/Cheneyite.
The facts are Obama have not changed many of Bush's policies that many of Obama's supporters hoped that would change. Ask that Uncle Tom John Conyers. And many of them, including Keith Olbermann, are outraged about it.
When will he repeal Bush's Patriot Act?
When will he repeal the Bush's Military Commissions Act?
When will he repeal Bush's FISA?
When will he reverse Bush's State Secrets policy?
Now, can you post the rest of the content of the links I post in rebutal? Maybe Keith Olbermann or the EFF says I'm wrong too.
By the way, check this out:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/lestershepherd/gGxgNV
With all this "senseless ranting" I should get some sensible answers.
"With all this "senseless ranting" I should get some sensible answers."
Dude, the man has been in office less than 100 days.
Geez.
Uptownsteve:
He overturned several policies already, like dealing with GITMO.
He has not even given any hints of it. And many of his supporter are very pissed about it.
In other words, what Bush policies that Obama is continuing do you like best?
Robert
"In other words, what Bush policies that Obama is continuing do you like best?"
NONE.
I'm sure Obama and his advisors took quick action on the policies which would be the most politically expedient to undo.
And as he builds political capital he will move on the others.
That's how the game is played.
Clinton got in trouble because he tried to move too fast on changes that all but the most liberal supporters were ready for.
One thing I like about Obama is that he is a student of history.
He will not repeat the mistakes of his predecessors if at all possible.
Now can you answer my questions?
BTW righties,
Still another Obama success story.
Give the brutha his props.
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Uptownsteve:
Just like in Cotton Comes to Harlem:
"When you lie to white people, that's your business. When you lie to black people, that's my business."
I will let whites and the NAAWP deal with their outrage problems.
I don't have to answer for them because they are not my community.
Politically expedient? What about humanly expedient? That dog had more priority.
What if the headlines were:
"In Warrantless Wiretapping Case, McCain's DOJ's New Arguments Are Worse Than Bush's"
"McCain backs Bush 'state secrets' position"
"McCain Moves To Legalize Warrantless Wiretapping!"
"McCain backs Bush on terror prisoners"
"McCain Continues Bush-Era Extremism on Liberties, Secrecy"
How would you feel about those headlines?
Are are saying that if Obama pours gasoline on a fire to put it out, he must know what he is doing.
It is funny that you apologize for Obama continuing his policies when many of his loyal supporters are very pissed off at him for his actions or inactions in these matters. These same people would have raised hell over McCain doing the same thing. What do you know that they do not?
Many have publicly stated they are former Obama supporters now, even that one on my.barackobama.com.
Obama did that to them, not me.
"It is funny that you apologize for Obama continuing his policies when many of his loyal supporters are very pissed off at him for his actions or inactions in these matters."
Like who?
Obama's approval ratings are at 66%and climbing.
And of course you tiptoed around my question.
What would you like to see the average law abiding black citizen do about violent crime that we aren't paying the cops to do?
"Stop the Violence and Increase the Peace" vigils??
Been there, done that.
Problem is, the criminals aren't moved by it.
@Robert:
You wrote: “My original point was that when whites kill blacks there is outrage. When blacks kill blacks there is no outrage (expect by the victim's friends or relatives).”
This is very disingenuous, I’ll give you benefit of the doubt and presume you feel this way because you are not informed, so I will inform you. I live in Chicago, and the community always mourns and demands justice when our children or other innocents are killed by senseless violence. Sure, the media REPORTS more when there is interracial crime than when it is within the same race. In fact, I have found that the rapes and often murders of Black women and children don’t even make page five, if it is a Black person who commits a crime against a white or vice versa PAGE 1. BUT I have not seen Blacks not having “outrage”, quite the contrary.
You go on with “It is just that when blacks slaughter other blacks, in their eyes, that does not qualify to be a tragedy whether it is here or in Africa.”
Bullshit. Sorry, there is no better term for what you are saying. I am a member of the Royal African Society, who has a membership of Whites, Blacks, and everything else in between from ALL OVER THE WESTERN WORLD. Again, it is a matter of information. The Royal African Society TRIES to inform as mainstream media often DOES NOT.
You go on with: “When an idiot who is black tells me "what's the big deal about blacks killing blacks
I am sure that there are some idiots who would tell you that, however; I doubt if most Blacks who are actually informed about Darfur, The Congo, Uganda or wherever actually don’t CARE, any more or less than Americans don’t care about international problems in general.
DJ:
Your friend Uptownsteve has 100 times more credibility than you do. You are very conscending.
I was born and raised in Chicago. I had close associations years ago with the Chicago Defender and WVON when it was at 33rd and Kedzie. I met all kinds of black leaders and misleaders.
I am well informed. Whether you believe that our not is your problem. Whether you are informed or not is not my problem.
Remember Benji Wilson? I was at his memorial service at Simeon. There was a "stop the violence" march right near my house. I know what is happening.
I'm saying, and you know this to be true, that:
White kill Black = Massive Outrage
Black kill Black = Little or No Outrage.
Speak for uninformed blacks when they are informed, not before.
Your credibity is shot with me.
Good luck with the Royal African Society.
DJ: I will communicate with Uptownsteve from now on, even if he thinks I'm an Uncle Tom sellout. I will ignore any comments of yours to me.
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@Robert:
No problem son, I am used to being "ignor"ed by willfully "ignor"ant cretins like you, ESPECIALLY ones from Chicago.
Absit iniuria verbis, absolvo.
Robert
You never answer direct questions and always deflect and divert back to your specious points.
Typical righty.
Uptownsteve:
First thing: Here is a book I recomend http://www.whatswrongwithbeingblack.co.uk/
Second thing I want to say I would rather communicate with you than that other person.
Third thing: Hold your fire.
You said "You never answer direct questions and always deflect and divert back to your specious points."
The pot calls the kettle "Negro"
You have done not only that to me but you have completely ignored many facts I have given you until I bring you back to the point and hold you there like a hostage.
You never refered to the Fannie Mae hearings where the Democrats were fighting the Republicans when Republicans were saying Fannie Mae is fine and it does not need regulation. The Democrats, especially Maxine Waters and Barney Frank, were doing their best to put more regulations on Fannie Mae to keep a crisis from happening, right?
You said: "You black conservatives just repeat the same tired lies they spew over at Fox TV and you wonder why the majority of black America doesn't think much of you."
I don't have cable TV therefore I cannot watch Fox.
About Noah Jones
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.ar.jones24may24,0,4157584.story
I don't know why you are calling
whataboutourdaughters.com
"rightwing cows." What is the basis of your accusations? They are great fans of Michelle Obama. How many other "right-wingnuts" are fans of Michelle Obama?
By the way, you said "How come your pals, those manhating cows over at whataboutourdaughters.com, didn't mention one word about the rape and torture of Megan Williams, since they care about black women so much?
"You know why?
"Because they are a bunch of rightwing Tom sellouts who exist to beat up on black men exclusively."
Can I answer?:
From whataboutourdaughters.blogspot.com:
"Black Woman Tortured and Raped For A Week in West Virginia - Open Season on Black women continues."Essential Presence has all of the gory details.
"Besides being sexually assaulted, the victim had been stabbed four times in the left leg and beaten, Porter said. Both of her eyes were black and blue. The woman's wounds were inflicted at least a week ago, deputies said.
"During her capture, the victim was forced to eat rat and dog feces and drink from the toilet, according to the criminal complaint filed in magistrate court. The woman also had been choked with a cable cord and her hair cut, it alleges.
"One of those arrested, Karen Burton, is accused of cutting the woman's ankle with a knife. She used the N-word in telling the woman she was victimized because she is black, according to the criminal complaint.
"Deputies say the woman was also doused with hot water while being sexually assaulted. Source
http://www.sfgate.com/flat/archive/2007/09/10/news/archive/2007/09/10/national/a135527D89.html
"Not in Africa or Bosnia or Central America, in THIS country! Open season on Black women! This will probably be ignored just like Dunbar Village, but there is hope because this time the SIX assailants were White so maybe THAT will get attention from the League of the Immorally Indifferent and the media."
http://whataboutourdaughters.blogspot.com/2007/09/black-woman-tortured-and-raped-for-week.htm
Now.
You said: "those manhating cows over at whataboutourdaughters.com, didn't mention one word about the rape and torture of Megan Williams, since they care about black women so much."Those "cows" give chocolate milk, by the way. Very sweet, flavorful, and good for you.
On their behalf, I apologize for their apathy. You really nailed me on their lack of outrage of these "rightwing Tom sellouts." You got me fair and square. What was I thinking? I'm really ashamed of my lack of critical thinking skills. I should do more research before I speak, shouldn't I?
As to Garnett Johnson?
"The Rev. Curtis Harris, who heads the Virginia chapter of the Southern Christian LeadershiConference, said he would ask the national SCLC board at a meeting today in Atlanta to press the Justice Department for action on the case as a hate crime.
"'We need to do something about ... too much hatred in this country, and especially racial hatred,' Harris said."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/11/06/national/main21951.shtml
I admit you do have a point with blacks ignoring white on black oppression. In Cuba, there is much racism. It is 60% black and the upper levels of government are 17% black. The prison population is 80%black. There is a black Cuban named Dr. Oscar Elias Biscet, a follower of Martin Luther King, who has been in prison for 25 years, just like Nelson Mandela, because he spoke out for a Free Cuba. Cuban blacks are at the bottom of the totem pole there and the whites are at the top. The Blacks here who know about all that do not talk about that, even after they have gone there.
So you are right.
By the way, here is an article by someone who hated George W. Bush and has nothing good to say about "righties":
"Obama continues Bush power grab""Obama's new Department of Justice has come out in defense of Bush-era ideologies elevating Presidential authority beyond legal and Constitutional restraints. Under this on-going power grab lies a desire to maintain for the Executive branch powers that were claimed in the aftermath of 9/11.
"Even if Congress passes a new law specifically limiting Presidential authority, the President can claim national security concerns, that it's his job to 'protect the American people.' Thus the urgency of the Presidential mandate exceeds that of Congress or the Courts. National security concerns, enshrined the DC consensus 'war on terror,' allow for much more expediency in the use of Presidential authority than pre-9/11."We've become imperial, with more of our political sphere revolving around the President, our Emperor-equivalent, and less about our institutions, history, or the rule of law and pre-9/11 precedents. It's as if Caesar has brought down his throne to the floor of the Roman Senate, to show his magnificence. It's downright un-American to put at the center of our government the omnipotence of one man and his agents, and probably un-Constitutional as well."The current civil liberties issues are made poignant by the fact Obama was a professor of Constitutional law. As an outsider, he protested Bush's seize of authority from Congress. Now, as the incumbent, Obama has flip-flopped. Just like Bush, he's using the war on terror as a rationale to expand spying and limit accountability for acts constituting torture."At least Spain isn't standing idly by, Ted Rall writes. The Spaniards have launched an investigation of Bush legal aides who explicitly condoned the use of water-boarding, or what the administration then--and perhaps now?--calls harsh interrogation techniques. Should the Spanish court find the Bush people guilty, they would issue an international warrant for their arrest.
"The architect of unitary executive theory, Univ. of California--Berkeley professor Dr. John Yoo would need to avoid travel to any countries honoring extradition agreements with the nation of Spain, where he and other White House legal aides would face arrest and trial under treaties which cover the prosecution of war crimes suspects.
"Obama's White House will have to balance its failure to holding Bush-era predecessors accountable against the damage caused in the court of world opinion. Should an indictment be issued, the Spanish precedent will become a rallying cry for Constitutionalists, many of whom likely feel betrayed by Obama's violent reversal on this position. Already European NATO allies have squawked on sending troops to Afghanistan; the failure to investigate Bush administration torture--to which Vice President Dick Cheney admitted at the end of Bush's term--may have created a worsening international liability for the U.S..
"I've been seeing a lot of criticism that Obama the candidate is quite different from President Obama. That the administration would so reverse its pre-election positions should come as little surprise to those who scrutinized Obama during the campaign. During the campaign, Obama supported the FISA bill, that limited telecom liability for their role in facilitating warrantless eavesdropping.
Washington corrupts entirely. Once seated in the halls of power, politicians' #1 goal becomes re-election. Obama wants to use the authority granted president Bush to advance his own agenda. He's of course aware of the underlying illegality of the torture, and the impermissibility of the Unitary Executive theory created by John Yoo. Still, his people claim the actions of the Executive are protected by "state secrets," invoking a little known "sovereign authority" clause buried in the U.S. legal code."In Salon, Glenn Greenwald writes about the little publicized effort to defend Bush-era actions in a lawsuit brought by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF.) The case, Jewel v. National Security Agency, has already given plenty of pause to Obama's pre-election claims to limit Executive authority. See also Clint Hendler's post 'Obama and State Secrets? Shhh...' at Columbia Journalism Review.
"I do believe the intransigence of the Obama administration on FISA and executive branch spying reflects a strong agenda bent on preserving what he can of the authority that Bush seized. Now that Obama is in control of the White House, he'll likely try to maximize his authority, just like Bush."While justice might be served by identifying who condoned the torture, and prosecuting them, politics has a different set of priorities. Bush's strongest critics are probably already supporting Obama. Now they might become sufficiently outraged to vote for Obama's competition come 2012, but that would of course require voting for a Republican. So criticism from the Left probably won't mean that much going into the next election, unless of course the Republicans change course.
"Right wingers will no doubt grow in their anger for the President, if they see an attack on the Constitution without the accompanying war rationale--draped in the flag. 'When Bush did it, he was doing it to protect us,' they might say. Well, unfortunately, it was that mindless acceptance of Bush's power grab that led to the precedent today, which is one where a President can invoke authority to push political themes far less popular with the Right than warring with Muslims. These might include carbon taxes or limits on gun rights.
Well, to these former Bush supporters I can only say I told you so. Of course Presidential powers, once asserted, never go away. That's the whole point of being a country ruled by laws, rather than men. Once we make an exception to the law--in this case exempting Bush administration actions on account of our need for security--we open the floodgates of future abuses of power."
http://jbpeebles.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-continues-bush-power-grab.html
My bad Robert.
One article about Megan Williams on waod.com after weeks and weeks of shouting about Dunbar Village where the perps were in jail and facing bigtime.
I'm so sorry for my mistake.
"How much outrage was there among blacks there when over 750,000 Black Africans in Rwanda were slaughtered."
Obviously plenty.
http://www.blackcommentator.com/114/114_darfur.html
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/9/22/transafricas_bill_fletcher_bushs_un_speech
"How come your pals, those manhating cows over at whataboutourdaughters.com" Whoa, whoa, whoa UTS. Isn't that a bit harsh?
Disclaimer: Gina, the views expressed on this thread are not the views of CBW.
Woe to you UTS if Gina reads this because I have never ever met a woman that can literarily eviserated an individual like the one and only Ms. Macauley!
But I have to say that the wonderful ladies over at What About Our Daughters are far from right. With the exception of Gina & a few others that crew absolutely adores your man-crush in the person of Barack Obama. Excuse me President Barack Obama...need to make sure I keep it PC.
Uptownsteve:
If you said "my bad" and left it at that, I would have taken that as a sincere apology.
But you had to add "One article about Megan Williams on waod.com after weeks and weeks of shouting about Dunbar Village where the perps were in jail and facing bigtime."
They have the right to shout as long as and as hard they want to about whoever. They even shout about any disrespect to Mrs. Obama, the wife of your President. But that was not your original point. You implied that they completely ignored the case of Megan Williams.
And you called them "cows."
Your response is like saying you are sorry and then you throw a brick as you walk out the door.
I question your sincerity.
I think you owe them an apology, not me.
"And you called them "cows.""
And I don't take it back.
I've lurked on that board off and on over a year and it's mainly populated by self-righteous, bitter females who are angry at black men simply because they can't get one.
"I've lurked on that board off and on over a year and it's mainly populated by self-righteous, bitter females who are angry at black men simply because they can't get one."
Now UTS how would you know who they have or don't have? Who they can get or not get? So now the fact that 70% of black women are single is because they are cows and can't get a man? You have just successfully given us a peek into the "self-hatred" that YOU harbor in your heart.
"So now the fact that 70% of black women are single is because they are cows and can't get a man?"
Where do you get this figure from?
Just because people aren't married doesn't necessarily mean they're not committed or don't have a significant other.
And quite frankly the only women you see constantly railing about the shortage of "good" men are the ones who don't have one.
I know ladies who have a trail of men running after them.
You think they believe there's "no men" out here?
"Just because people aren't married doesn't necessarily mean they're not committed or don't have a significant other."Yeah, my husband tried to pull that BS on me. I wasn't haven't it and most women if they are honest don't want that either.
I don't know if there are any men out there I'm not in that market but based on what my girlfriend's tell me they meet men who will "be in committed relationship" supposedly but aren't willing to marry.
Uptownsteve:
I'm shaking my head.
I'm VERY familiar with The Black Commentator, for years. You actually found a website that has been critical of Barack Obama ever since he ran for the U.S. Senate. It would question you on your support. If you feel this website speaks for the black community in condemning the genocide in Rwanda, then it must speak for the black community in its criticism of Obama:
"Obama’s Chickens Have Come Home to Roost" http://www.blackcommentator.com/275/275_i_obamas_chickens_printer_friendly.html
"The Black Commentator - Comparison of Obama & Cynthia McKinney" www.blackcommentator.com/275/275_i_obamas_chickens_printer_friendly.html
"Barack Obama: Faithful Tool of U.S. Imperialism and Empire"
http://www.blackcommentator.com/271/271_kir_obama_tool_us_imperialism_printer_friendly.html
"Barak Obama: Trojan Horse and A Great White Hope?" http://www.blackcommentator.com/217/217_obama_trojan_horse_great_white_hope_pinkney_guest_pf.html
"Represent Our Resistance: Obama Cannot Hear Us" www.blackcommentator.com/217/217_obama_cannot_hear_us_daniels.html
As to TransAfrica's Bill Fletcher, he did not speak for the black community. He is one man who speaks for himself as was black Washington D.C. journalist Barbara Reynolds who also was outraged about the genocide and wrote about it. I wrote about it too years ago and I was outraged. But the black community did not ask me to write for them.
Furthermore your statement...
"I know ladies who have a trail of men running after them."isn't saying much. Just because a man is in hot pursuit doesn't mean his intentions are honorable.
Getting back to waod.com, the constant shrill depicting of black men as drooling rapacious beasts really left a bad taste in my mouth.
Everything was negative.
According to most of the sistas every male in their lives was dysfunctional and every experience with black men was traumatic.
I'm sorry but I'm not buying it.
If these same people had made the same characterizations of their relationships with white folks, you'de be calling them "racism chasers".
But as usual with righties, it's open season on black men.
Robert
No offense but I'm about through with you.
You're just another Constructive Feedback without the edge.
Reams and reams of blather, never answering a question or never truly debating.
Well UTS that's where you are wrong. You will find any number of commentary by me on liberal women blogs singing the praises of black men and marriage. If anything I have been critical of my sisters for being "strong black women"...boy I hate that term. I think if you have to scream about how "strong" you are then you just aren't that strong. I think it would take either a very special man or an utter wussy to want a woman who bosses him around or throws her strength in his face...it's all a bit emasculating I would think. So this Conservative Black woman has been all over the afrosphere admonishing sisters to be woman that God called them to be and stifle those "cajones" until it's necessary to employ them.
@Uptown:
"Robert, No offense but I'm about through with you. You're just another Constructive Feedback without the edge.Reams and reams of blather, never answering a question or never truly debating."
Give Robert a break Uptown, he just doesn't know any better, all sound and fury signifying nothing.
"You will find any number of commentary by me on liberal women blogs singing the praises of black men and marriage. If anything I have been critical of my sisters for being "strong black women"...boy I hate that term. I think if you have to scream about how "strong" you are then you just aren't that strong>"
For that you should be commended CBW.
But why aren't you singing them on waod.com?
Uptownsteve:
You said: "No offense but I'm about through with you.
"You're just another Constructive Feedback without the edge.
"Reams and reams of blather, never answering a question or never truly debating."Point a finger and you have three pointing back at you.
Why are you giving me the tactic of accusing the opponent of something and doing exactly the same thing yourself? (People can see through that.)
I asked you questions which you yourself chose to tiptoe around or ignore completely. People can see that too. Then you insult a group of black women in these conversations.
When the game does not go your way, you want to change the rules?
I make a basket and you want to cry "foul."
Anyone can backtrack the comments and see I answered your questions. You just seem not to like my answers and pretend I did not answer them.
Also my reams of "blather" are documented facts that anyone can look up. If you have a problem with facts, that is your right. I don't like peanut butter. But I don't have a problem if you like peanut butter.
Obama can try to change America, but God cannot change the truth.
yawn.
game over
Robby sez.....
"The commentaries of just two people does not equal the outrage was refering too."
So what does he do then....
Posts the commentaries of TWO black leftists who support his position.
LMAO!!!!
Robert, shouldn't you be causing a traffic tieup somewhere right about now?
I don't read WAOD as regularly as I used to but if and when the subject of "a good black man is hard to find" comes up I have and I will.
Truthfully, I don't see that happening very often on WAOD. But I don't read it everyday.
CBW
It really hurt me to read all the vitriol because I am all the way down for my black queens.
I have been married to my beautiful dark-skinned wife for 22 years and instill in my two sons to respect and honor black women.
I will apologize to YOU for referring to the posters at waod.com as "manhating cows".
BTW you and I disagree, often vociferously but never doubt that you have my utmost respect and admiration as a postive sister and human being.
uptownsteve:
Now you are being ignorant. You create a straw man.
They had their facts right, did they not?
If I quoted two "righties" would you would have not said my argument was not credible?
Those two "lefties" were from an article I wrote years ago. I did not just find them. If "lefties" have their facts right, they have their facts right, even though we may disagree on other things.
They saw the silence. I saw the silence, and I agree with them. Are they wrong?
You tried used the lefties at Blackcommentator.com to shoot me down on Rwanda. And I agree with them 100% on that and on Darfur.
Will you shoot at them for also being very critical and suspicious about Barack Obama? Are they Uncle Tom sellouts?
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