tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post2387305195164979385..comments2024-02-24T05:11:34.559-05:00Comments on Conservative Black Woman: Smiling At Socialism and Scorning The Bible...As Told By Berit KjosConservative Black Womanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04447535512847936593noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-80679084252205629882009-01-29T14:47:00.000-05:002009-01-29T14:47:00.000-05:00"Digital Publius said... Pointless!"Thank you, ..."Digital Publius said...<BR/><BR/> Pointless!"<BR/><BR/>Thank you, sir. Come again!brotherkomradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00605518856041440108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-76047879724650990252009-01-29T13:51:00.000-05:002009-01-29T13:51:00.000-05:00@Zabeth:You wrote: “Further people seem to assume ...@Zabeth:<BR/><BR/>You wrote: “Further people seem to assume that wealthy business owners just sit on their fat asses doing nothing or playing golf. That's not the case. It takes certain skill sets, a degree of discipline and determination (that quite frankly many people just don't have), and a certain level of knowledge and education to develop and foster a successful business. That's not doing "no work." That's not "not sweat"<BR/><BR/>Strawman, I’m just saying: “Render on to Caesar". You PAY to PLAY, You make millions of the workers and CONSUMERS of a country, pay your cost.<BR/><BR/>Simple trade.DJ Black Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258897246879725176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-10397056230325981052009-01-29T13:32:00.000-05:002009-01-29T13:32:00.000-05:00"So I agree laborer should try and get at Small bu..."So I agree laborer should try and get at Small business loan and start his own toy making plant but the cycle only repeat itself..."<BR/><BR/>Further people seem to assume that wealthy business owners just sit on their fat asses doing nothing or playing golf. That's not the case. It takes certain skill sets, a degree of discipline and determination (that quite frankly many people just don't have), and a certain level of knowledge and education to develop and foster a successful business. That's not doing "no work." That's not "not sweating."Zabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12691376432212065138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-70189950311080850692009-01-29T12:06:00.000-05:002009-01-29T12:06:00.000-05:00@CBW:You wrote: "Some do, some don't. I have seen ...@CBW:<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "Some do, some don't. I have seen cases where an Earned Income Credit has returned more in refunds than were withheld originally."<BR/><BR/>CBW, Icnome and Capital gains taxes are not the ONLY taxes, everyone pays taxes, my thing is, the Rich need to pay what CEASAR is requiring of them...DJ Black Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258897246879725176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-1253321378110968322009-01-29T12:02:00.000-05:002009-01-29T12:02:00.000-05:00@DJ Black Adam~"however, you do know the working c...@DJ Black Adam~"however, you do know the working class does pay taxes?"<BR/><BR/>Some do, some don't. I have seen cases where an Earned Income Credit has returned more in refunds than were withheld originally.Conservative Black Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447535512847936593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-39404710750230967132009-01-29T11:54:00.000-05:002009-01-29T11:54:00.000-05:00Pointless!Pointless!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-7252019259022185432009-01-29T11:51:00.000-05:002009-01-29T11:51:00.000-05:00@BrotherKomarade~"With that situation, it's only f...@BrotherKomarade~"With that situation, it's only fair that those who are doing the REAL work should indeed own it. For me or any true radical, the moral question doesn't enter into it; if i make the product; and sweat for it, then I should own it"<BR/><BR/>I certainly don't disagree with that. But if or when YOU own it. Who's going to do the work for YOU?<BR/>I have started a few businesses which were sadly undercapitalized and when they went south I have to tell you that I have been grateful for a job. <BR/><BR/>If you are saying that employers should give great benefits and livable wages consistent with the employee's skill set then I agree. <BR/>But, if a toy is sold for $10 and the laborer gets $2 then it costs more than $2 to make it because that laborer gets his wage of $2 plus the employer has to pay for his FICA,State unemployment insuranc,health care,sick time, vacation time, shrinkage (cause' sometime this employee steals)then there are overhead costs of the facility which like electicity, water, property taxes, workers compensation so really this toy would cost about $8.00 to make and as so the employer gets $2.00 profit. <BR/><BR/>So I agree laborer should try and get at Small business loan and start his own toy making plant but the cycle only repeat itself...Conservative Black Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447535512847936593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-79503873964234045882009-01-29T11:46:00.000-05:002009-01-29T11:46:00.000-05:00@CBW:You wrote: “Don't they? I'm an accountant by ...@CBW:<BR/><BR/>You wrote: “Don't they? I'm an accountant by trade. My workingclass clients are the ones getting refunds.”<BR/><BR/>As they should, seems like the Rich seem to have a problem when they have to pay what they SHOULD as opposed to what Reagan and company reduced their obligation to. <BR/><BR/>You wrote: “In my experience it has been the Corporations and S-corp (aka the wealthy in relative terms) enclosing checks with their returns.”<BR/><BR/>That may be true, in regard to INCOME and Capital gains taxes, however, you do know the working class does pay taxes?DJ Black Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258897246879725176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-2485897373510223522009-01-29T11:40:00.000-05:002009-01-29T11:40:00.000-05:00"Don't they? I'm an accountant by trade. My workin..."Don't they? I'm an accountant by trade. My workingclass clients are the ones getting refunds.<BR/><BR/>In my experience it has been the Corporations and S-corp (aka the wealthy in relative terms) enclosing checks with their returns"<BR/><BR/>And are those checks and tax refunds matching what those workers are putting into the company to make the CEOs rich? <BR/>Doubt it.How many of those workers are able to send their kids to college with no worries with those pay or tax refund checks?<BR/><BR/>Are we getting police that aren't shooting us with those tax dollars?<BR/>Are we paying for books that aren't crappy in our kid's schools? Are we? Are we seeing a true match in taxes that we pay coming back to us when those tax dollars are going to cluster bombs and stealth fighters?brotherkomradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00605518856041440108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-41780088593565159762009-01-29T11:32:00.000-05:002009-01-29T11:32:00.000-05:00"BrotherKomrade~Do you think the answer is to take..."BrotherKomrade~Do you think the answer is to take the spoils of the rich (meaning those who create jobs)redistribute those spoils to the poor and/or middleclass? Do you think this would solve the poverty problem in America? Really, I'm not being facetious I am honestly seeking to understand your point of view."<BR/><BR/>Even if you were being facetious, CBW, I'm very grateful that you posed it. I will answer with a question. Who makes the product that the rich "creates"? Do they do the work themselves? Have they ever? They are not doing the general populace charity by offering them work; they NEED the labor to produce it and they make profit from that labor and continuously seek to take what they offer to those who make the product - wage cuts, benefit cuts, or punitive actions like removing whole plants of production out of t6he country because those same laborers dare to organize for better living or to keep what little living standards they have like insurance. If I make toy and it sells for 10.00, but the parts are only $2.00, and the cost to make it even less than or as much as the parts, but I'm only getting paid $2.00 or less as a wage and NOTHING ELSE, who's getting reaping the benefits and living better than I am? I'm almost better off not working at all. Redistribution is about people getting what they put into their labor; not the 'benefit' that they are working AND starving in the process. The only rich 'victims' of redistribution would be those who have money that fell from the sky and someone came and just stole it. But those who are supposedly doing us all a favor by 'letting' us work inherently seek to get the most bang for their buck by giving unlivable wages but for high volume labor and work. With that situation, it's only fair that those who are doing the REAL work should indeed own it. For me or any true radical, the moral question doesn't enter into it; if i make the product; and sweat for it, then I should own it. Thank you, boss, you served your purpose, now suck on it.brotherkomradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00605518856041440108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-57421743226503260892009-01-29T11:28:00.000-05:002009-01-29T11:28:00.000-05:00@DJ Black Adam~"What I would expect is the Rich pa...@DJ Black Adam~"What I would expect is the Rich pay their taxes to a country that they make their money in. The use of that income is another discussion..."<BR/><BR/>Don't they? I'm an accountant by trade. My workingclass clients are the ones getting refunds. <BR/><BR/>In my experience it has been the Corporations and S-corp (aka the wealthy in relative terms) enclosing checks with their returns.Conservative Black Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447535512847936593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-30944883871247681552009-01-29T11:20:00.000-05:002009-01-29T11:20:00.000-05:00@CBW:You wrote: "BrotherKomrade~Do you think the a...@CBW:<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "BrotherKomrade~Do you think the answer is to take the spoils of the rich (meaning those who create jobs)redistribute those spoils to the poor and/or middleclass? Do you think this would solve the poverty problem in America? Really, I'm not being facetious I am honestly seeking to understand your point of view."<BR/><BR/>Sorry to interject, I don't think anyone here is proposing COMMUNISM. It is simple as this, the Rich make money here off of the citizens of this country, to do so, you have to PAY to PLAY, simple as that. Whatever happened to RENDER ONTO Caesar? <BR/><BR/>What I would expect is the Rich pay their taxes to a country that they make their money in. The use of that income is another discussion...DJ Black Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258897246879725176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-10682187104896438012009-01-29T11:08:00.000-05:002009-01-29T11:08:00.000-05:00Oh and by-the-by, Publius, I edon't think there is...Oh and by-the-by, Publius, I edon't think there is any wisdom that someone like Kjos can impaert to me when she obsesses over children's books like Harry Potter (http://beholdaphoenix.blogspot.com/2007/08/berit-kjos-just-does-not-get-it.html). <BR/>Seriously, I doubt she has the intellectual capacity to even handle Socialist theories or perspectives much less criticize them when it is so painfully evident in her own writing that she doesn't even know what socialism is.brotherkomradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00605518856041440108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-69027607790920270392009-01-29T11:04:00.000-05:002009-01-29T11:04:00.000-05:00BrotherKomrade~Do you think the answer is to take ...BrotherKomrade~Do you think the answer is to take the spoils of the rich (meaning those who create jobs)redistribute those spoils to the poor and/or middleclass? Do you think this would solve the poverty problem in America? Really, I'm not being facetious I am honestly seeking to understand your point of view.Conservative Black Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447535512847936593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-2453455056257449722009-01-29T10:56:00.000-05:002009-01-29T10:56:00.000-05:00"The social agenda of the left that so many black ..."The social agenda of the left that so many black folks advocate for is just as unbiblical as the life issues."<BR/><BR/>YES!!!!!<BR/><BR/>"The redistribution of wealth for example, flies in the face of the concept of grace giving and Biblical charity, and again puts an emphasis on man..."<BR/><BR/>YES!!!! Humans engineering their own society and eradicating the "human need for greed" - ok, you're almost there....<BR/><BR/>"and fosters irresponsibility."<BR/><BR/>And.He.Fumbles. Sorry, Publius, no prize.<BR/><BR/>But your attempts at ignoring or covering up the true nature and history of the class war on workers, farmers, and the poor (who are surplus workers and farmers - unemployed or homeless) will not go unnoticed.<BR/><BR/>Sorry about that. <BR/><BR/>"A great example of the Biblical perspective on charity can be found in the book of Leviticus:<BR/><BR/>And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 19:9,10"<BR/><BR/>whatever....brotherkomradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00605518856041440108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-27413968590677038352009-01-29T09:39:00.000-05:002009-01-29T09:39:00.000-05:00@Digital:1st. You do realize that BLACK ADAM is a ...@Digital:<BR/><BR/>1st. You do realize that BLACK ADAM is a "fictional" character?<BR/><BR/>2nd. And in that fiction there are revisions, like the one Geoff Johns did for Black Adam (Teth Adam) in Justice Society of America and other writers have creative licence with what take they have (like those awful mischaracterizations in DC's WWIII and the Black Adam miniseries), predicated on the JSA "Black Reign" characterization of Black Adam, I have no problem with him.<BR/><BR/>3rd. Either you are being facetious or willfully ignorant if you are positing that I actually think that Jesus would prescribe to ANY of the social-political systems of man, be the socialist, capitalist, communist or whatever new thing we come up with.<BR/><BR/>The socialist argument is only made by me when the money hungry don't give a crap about the poor republicans try to co-opt Jesus in their neo conservative world views.<BR/><BR/>Jesus represented and preached the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, beyond and in spite of any system of man, social, political or religious.<BR/><BR/>It can be agreed that Jesus was NOT a socioalist, but he damn sure wasn't a capitalist. Altynnovo vora veshayut, a poltinnovo chestvuyut,Tovarsich. MEANING: One hangs a theif who steals a little, but honors a theif who steals a lot, comrade. (i.e. the GOP would put you away for pimping someone, which they should, but give you 700 Billion of government money when you rob the financial system and pimp consumers and workers)DJ Black Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258897246879725176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-72932054204636581352009-01-29T09:27:00.000-05:002009-01-29T09:27:00.000-05:00CBW you got that right, The church in America no l...CBW you got that right, The church in America no longer preaches sin and repentance, the church is more interested in teaching, your blessing is right around the corner prosperity and kingdom now nonsense as opposed to sound doctrine. If the black church in particular preached the Gospel and sound doctrine not a single black Christian would vote for a democrat much less Obama.<BR/><BR/>Peoples stance on the war on terror, on the death penalty, and the like, key reasons our people use to reject conservatism, are driven by a lack of Biblical expositional teaching. It is the reason they are able to compartmentalize Christian convictions and vote for a party that advocates for some of the most vile positions extant in the world.<BR/><BR/>The social agenda of the left that so many black folks advocate for is just as unbiblical as the life issues. The redistribution of wealth for example, flies in the face of the concept of grace giving and Biblical charity, and again puts an emphasis on man and fosters irresponsibility.<BR/><BR/>A great example of the Biblical perspective on charity can be found in the book of Leviticus:<BR/><BR/>And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 19:9,10<BR/><BR/>This is wisdom. In God’s economy we can provide for the poor without destroying the spirit. The Israelites were commanded to leave a part of their land ungathered for those who were willing to come and get it for themselves. In other words they still had to gather for themselves, they had to work to eat. This is the sort of charity that allows a man to keep his dignity and sense of self worth. When you fall into the habit of accepting things that you should be providing for yourself on a regular basis, it destroys your will and character, It has the effect of making one weak and servile. This is exactly what has happened in large measure to the black community in America. <BR/><BR/>I have read your loving attempts to reason with some of your commenters and this was the first day my blood pressure was low enough for me to add my voice to yours LOL. I love your blog.<BR/>To you CBW, RESPECT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-46028305863656597372009-01-29T08:52:00.000-05:002009-01-29T08:52:00.000-05:00@Digital Publius writes:"The God of the Holy Bible...@Digital Publius writes:"The God of the Holy Bible wants us to depend on him completely, not the state, not each other, and certainly not on one man, especially one who has proven to be as antithetical to the precepts of God as Mr. Obama. As I state in my latest article, Open Up It's the Wolf!"<BR/><BR/><BR/>I agree with you wholeheartedly and you would think that the Church would KNOW and DO better. It's such a sad commentary on the spiritual condition of this nation.Conservative Black Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447535512847936593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-79100724636978840272009-01-29T08:22:00.000-05:002009-01-29T08:22:00.000-05:00CBW, I would like to join this conversation, but i...CBW, I would like to join this conversation, but it would seem to be a fruitless effort. I will say this, I am a fan of Berit Kjos, her book Brave New Schools I would recommend highly to Uptown Steve, DJ Black Adam (Black Adam by the way is one of the most evil villains in comic book history, and not a nickname I would use as a Christian) and brother Komrade.<BR/><BR/>I must disagree with the premiss of Christ as socialist, Christ is a theocratic monarchist as He has established a kingdom in heaven and will be establishing an eternal kingdom on earth with His return. Any other nomenclature is derived from an attempt to place God in a humanistic framework and concept of government.<BR/><BR/>The simple truth in the natural is that in the almost one hundred year history of communist philosophy, there has not been a single example of a success, if you understand the philosophy that undergirds socialism/communism, then you understand that a core principle is the replacement of the primacy of God for the state and eventually man as the state gives way to pure communism which is the absence of government.<BR/><BR/>This is what the left is attempting to create in the USA by growing the role of government and the dependancy of the people on the government. This is also the reason that the left fights so hard to eliminate God from the public square, and why the black church has been so thoroughly co-opted by the democrats. <BR/><BR/>The God of the Holy Bible wants us to depend on him completely, not the state, not each other, and certainly not on one man, especially one who has proven to be as antithetical to the precepts of God as Mr. Obama. As I state in my latest article, Open Up It's the Wolf!<BR/><BR/>"even Muslims hate abortion and it is prohibited in Islamic nations as a great evil, as it should be in Christian nations.<BR/><BR/>But somehow in America, some Christians don’t see it as the most important issue to be concerned with when choosing a leader. God’s most precious gift, life, gets relegated below universal health care, redistribution of wealth and “yes we can”. I say how do you get to “Hope and Change” if you don’t start with life? Issues like abortion, sinful lifestyles, and accountability, are spiritual in nature, causing one to reflect on your relationships with your fellow man, who it is much easier to give a handout to, than a hand-up, and to a creator God who is the only real Judge."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-2205571218946264462009-01-29T02:03:00.000-05:002009-01-29T02:03:00.000-05:00Zabeth:Sorry I spelled you name "Zabareth", my bad...Zabeth:<BR/><BR/>Sorry I spelled you name "Zabareth", my bad...it's late :-(DJ Black Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258897246879725176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-72703106779601969152009-01-29T02:00:00.000-05:002009-01-29T02:00:00.000-05:00@Zabereth:I find it funny you want to point to hom...@Zabereth:<BR/><BR/>I find it funny you want to point to homeownership as the cause of this fiscal problem, or should I say the homeowners.<BR/><BR/>O.K., let's first start with the fact that Low and Moderate income borrowers doesn’t necissarily translate to borrowers with bad credit, it translates to assistance with down payments and mortgage guarantees, perhaps if the Financial Services industry hadn’t been lazy and actually thought out ways to give loans to people predicated on ACTUAL INCOME (How Radical that is), they may have tried for better loan programs to guarantee. <BR/><BR/>However, how does any of this really deal with bundleling and selling sub-prime mortgages (rated as risky loans) into SECURITIES (not rated as risky) which is what got Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch and others in trouble? <BR/><BR/>Let me explain in a bit more detail: Lenders didn’t relax anything, at least banks didn’t, what banks actually did was purchase and create mortgage companies to capitalize on making loans to poor people and other people that they charged excessive fees and interest on: “Banks did stupid loans because they were making RECORD PROFITS off of these stupid loans: i.e. No Income verification loan, No doc loans, etc., because they felt the worse case scenario is that they’d foreclose on a $200,000 house loan to have a house now worth $250,000.00". <BR/><BR/>When the market went south, that solution was no longer viable. NONE OF THIS HAPPENS WITHOUT LAX STANDARDS IN BANK REGULATIONS that lead to banks being able to have these arraingments. This would have been bad enough, but the fact that mortgages they new damn well were shaky were put to be sold in marketable securities. <BR/><BR/>Fact is, making loans to poor people is rather simple if one wants to do it responsibly. 1, you need affordable houses, 2, you need to do the loan based on ACTUAL INCOME (what a concept), many poor people had decent credit scores, but to allow a program that approves people with decent credit scores (620 and above) that DOES NOT VERIFY INCOME, is criminally negligent at the least. <BR/><BR/>Statistically speaking, if a person shows that they pay their rent, they generally pay their mortgage; affordable housing makes affordable mortgages, simple as that. <BR/><BR/>Human greed is the cheif predicate here, sure the greed of some of the individual homeowners is part of this, and as such no one was championing bailing out thes ehomeowners, however; Human greed is often ignored when talking about Coroporate America or the free market, so maybe if we remember that Corporations are run and owned by alot of humans, we might grasp the concept that they cannot run unchecked, as they have under Reagan’s derugulation, President Bush, Bill Clinton and the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, the current President and HIS Republican congress. <BR/><BR/>Again, let me break this down: <BR/><BR/>1. Bank does stupid sup-prime loan with “no income verification for $300,000 house <BR/><BR/>2. Bank puts loan in pool of loans and sells as marketable security <BR/><BR/>3. Investors make big money off of the dividends supported by the mortgage rates <BR/><BR/>4. Buyer pays Mortgage for 12 -24 months, all of a sudden loan adjusts, buyer can’t pay, buyer gets foreclosed on. <BR/><BR/>5. House now has a balance of $298,000 BUT low and behold house is now worth $330,000 <BR/><BR/>6. Bank does another stupid sub-prime loan with “no income verification” <BR/><BR/>7. Bank puts loan in pool of loans and sells as marketable security <BR/><BR/>8. Investors make big money off of the dividends supported by the mortgage rates <BR/><BR/>And it goes on and on UNTIL: <BR/><BR/>9. Buyer pays Mortgage for 12 -24 months, all of a sudden loan adjusts, buyer can’t pay, buyer gets foreclosed on. <BR/><BR/>10. House now has a balance of $328,000 BUT low and behold house is now worth $295,000 <BR/><BR/>11. UH OH!!! <BR/><BR/>See what we have here? Corporate greed and now, the Chickens have come home to roost.DJ Black Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258897246879725176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-73512035549211744132009-01-29T01:39:00.000-05:002009-01-29T01:39:00.000-05:00I'll agree with you on your overall point; we will...I'll agree with you on your overall point; we will agree to disagree on everything - for me, a person's view on war and economics are interconnected. No, I do not consider you a wingnut, but the Randians are and I was just writing out-loud as I drew lines connecting your own beliefs and endeavors with the Randies. Sorry, I'll stop doing that....brotherkomradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00605518856041440108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-16317095331170186782009-01-29T01:23:00.000-05:002009-01-29T01:23:00.000-05:00I make no apologies for who I am or what I believe...I make no apologies for who I am or what I believe; just like I wouldn't expect you to. I'm also not going to be offended because you don't like what I have to say. Call me a wingnut or cultist all you want. <BR/><BR/>Second, now that I have a better understanding of your point about Afghanistan I will say that it still doesn't hold weight with me as this is war and it's still quite a leap to make that conclusion. BUT I am not going to engage in a debate about appropriate and inappropriate military responses and how they relate to economic mindsets as I do not believe that this is the time nor place and that's a whole-nother can of worms.Zabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12691376432212065138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-47527704729133003532009-01-29T00:56:00.000-05:002009-01-29T00:56:00.000-05:00@Zabeth - wow, just looked some of your blogs. Wow...@Zabeth - wow, just looked some of your blogs. Wow.....<BR/><BR/>Well, I can now see why the Randians hold weight with you.brotherkomradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00605518856041440108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2081245598457508568.post-2189636305786376322009-01-29T00:54:00.000-05:002009-01-29T00:54:00.000-05:00@Zabareth:Oh I'm sorry, I said the conservative go...@Zabareth:<BR/><BR/>Oh I'm sorry, I said the conservative god Reagan "screwed" up, he actually did well for who he was trying to do well for, the RICH who have made hand over fist for the last 28 years, while continuing to dismantle and rob the middle class and the poor....DJ Black Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15258897246879725176noreply@blogger.com